True Creationism

Being a former creationist, I can't say that I fully understand the creation "theory" and why, according to creationists, it should be approached and taught as a scientific theory. This thread is intended for the local creationists and intelligent design proponents to present a general case for creationism or intelligent design. Some specific evidence will be great.Based on my understanding of the creation side, the "theory" generally states something like the following:EvidenceYou, me, everyone else in the world, and the intricate balances that are found both in nature and societies are evidence of creation. The balances, specifically, are so synchronized and harmonious that there must have been thought put into creating them rather than random chance dictating over these balances.Predictability PowerA single divine being is behind all the splendor of existence and that he never changes. In other words, to understand the true nature of his creation, we must seek him out and understand the "personality" that is behind everything.Falsification CriteriaProve without a doubt that we evolved from a primordial soup, the earth was created from the big bang, or that evolution occurs.Everything I stated above came from my very limited knowledge of what creation is all about. Please correct me if I am wrong, and feel free to add and/or edit.Also, I really intend this thread to be more of a presentation by the creation side rather than a debate. Directing at evolutionists, if you are going to participate please refrain from responding to a creationist claim. I'd really like the evolution side's participation to be limited to only questions.This thread should be a non-threatening mean for creationists to present their evidence, ideas, hopes, etc.I really don't know where this thread should go.

Hello, BRW! This topic seems concise and could go in several forums. So you want this to be one sided? If you want evolutionists to merely "ask questions" and yet you claim to be a former creationist yourself, I am a bit confused as to your intent in this thread.You say: and yet you say Perhaps you should think a bit about who your audience is and what you are trying to say.I invite feedback from other admins on this topic also.
Please try and reword your opening topic by pushing the EDIT button and give us your feedback by March 7th.

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AdminPhat, as much as I appreciate your effort in trying to make this forum a better place, please don't quote mine me.You wrote:

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So you want this to be one sided? If you want evolutionists to merely "ask questions" and yet you claim to be a former creationist yourself, I am a bit confused as to your intent in this thread.

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Anyone who have joined for a few days would notice right away that for every creationist post there are 10 to 20 evolutionist posts. I have seen some piling on's in my time, especially in football, but this forum really should get the first prize for evolutionists piling on creationists award.Is it too much to ask for a thread where the creationists can post their ideas and evidence FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF EXPLAINING THEIR POSITION WITHOUT BEING PILED ON BY THE EVOLUTION SIDE?I even stated this in my original post.

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This thread should be a non-threatening mean for creationists to present their evidence, ideas, hopes, etc.

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You say: BRW writes:
Everything I stated above came from my very limited knowledge of what creation is all about.

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and yet you say BRW writes:
I really intend this thread to be more of a presentation by the creation side...

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Perhaps you should think a bit about who your audience is and what you are trying to say.

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I really don't understand what is so confusing or hard to understand about this. I do not have a full grasp on creation and the evidence involved. I would like to know more about creation and the evidence involved. I am sure that many people also don't have much understanding of the creation side or the evidence that are involved.The audience should be the evolution side. I am hoping that without the typical piling on's that I have been observing ever since I came here, the creationists would be more willing to come forth with what they have.

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Please try and reword your opening topic by pushing the EDIT button and give us your feedback by March 7th.

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I'm sorry, but if you want just another thread where each creationist is piled on by 20 evolutionists, then please reject and close down this thread. Perhaps I will have more luck understanding the creation side of the story elsewhere.

Hi blueredwhiteWelcome to EvCForum, firstly - I hope you find the debate here to your liking.I think I understand what you are looking for, and I have a suggestion - please take a look at the Great Debate forum, and the threads listed there. If you want to avoid a pile-on, you may want to get one evolutionist and yourself, or one evolutionist and one creationist (volunteers of course) to start this presentation. The evolutionist asks the questions, the creationist responds, etc. etc.Although it isn't strictly speaking a debate, the Great Debate forum has very clear rules about who can post in a topic - anyone other than the two nominated posters usually have their posts deleted.AdminIRH

In other words, you guys will not allow more than one creationist to speak.I was hoping that the creation side, NOT A SINGLE CREATIONIST, could present their case.Think of it this way, if a creationist wants to know generally what evolution is all about and the evidence that are involved on a creationist dominated board, would it be fair to have a single geologist speak about the matter?The other thing, and I am a little annoyed that you did not notice, was that I never said the evolution side absolutely have to keep their fingers locked. I said:

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Directing at evolutionists, if you are going to participate please refrain from responding to a creationist claim. I'd really like the evolution side's participation to be limited to only questions.

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Meaning I was asking for the evolution side to voluntarily refrain from piling on the creationists who choose to present what ideas and evidence they have.But seriously, if you guys don't approve of this, then I don't mind this topic not getting promoted.

Hi BlueRedWhite,EvC Forum has been around for a while and already has a format for discussion that is described in the Forum Guidelines and is overseen and managed by the moderator team. Members do not usually define the framework for discussion. The moderator team welcomes feedback, but it is best provided in the thread for that purpose: General discussion of moderation procedures: The Consequtive Consecution SequelThe thread proposal itself seems far too broad and wide-ranging to me. I suggest dropping this one and proposing another that focuses narrowly on a single aspect of Creationism.This message has been edited by Admin, 02-26-2006 07:18 AM

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The thread proposal itself seems far too broad and wide-ranging to me. I suggest dropping this one and proposing another that focuses narrowly on a single aspect of Creationism.

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Agreed.