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Author Topic:   There is a new science emerging, one of chaos!
metatron
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Message 1 of 7 (203550)
04-29-2005 2:23 AM


There is a new science emerging, one of chaos!
Its a new way to see the natural phenomenon of evolution. Opening vast areas of study, and has brought with it, its own vocabulary of "fractals," "bifurcations," "strange attractors," and "dissipative structures.
These new models go well beyond the traditional views of reductionism.
I have come to realizes, there is an ever increasing gap in science today. One that will leave the two opposing views of Intelligent Design and Darwinism out of mainstream. The real divergence lies not in Idst and Darwinist, but rather between the view points of systems thinking, that deals in the dynamical relationships of causality in cooperative networks. As opposed to the traditional reductionist approach, applied to Darwinistic view points.
While the Idst, and reductionist Darwinist, stand upon the dock arguing over how best to classify and contain nature into manageable parts and slogans. The systems theorist are sailing away into the future.

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Message 2 of 7 (204624)
05-03-2005 10:58 AM
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04-29-2005 2:23 AM


Chaotic assumptions
Hey, metatron! I looked up a bit about your supposed new science and found thisarticle among many. Which forum do you want to present your topic in? What do you want to say about Chaos theory?
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metatron
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Message 3 of 7 (204721)
05-03-2005 4:47 PM
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05-03-2005 10:58 AM


Re: Chaotic assumptions
I am attemping to use chaos theory and a newly discoverd fossil, to present a new evolutionary model I call this new model "Archetypal desent" I assumed anyone dealing in science has heard of chaos theory.
The Second Ring of Life; The Vesica Attractor
by Christopher Humphrey
Abstract
The fossil record shows a disparity in the formation of complex body plans.
The individual eukaryote cannot build these structures. They do not carry within themselves a blue print for an overall structure. Science today is attempting to answer these questions via genomic constraints.
Recently discovered fossil evidence has led this author to develop a new evolutionary model that suggest the following;The missing information in the original body design was provided by a wave function acting on a mass of oolitic spheres bound by a microbial substrate.
This substrate crystallized into an archetypal pattern, the first complex animal life. [source of a body plan pattern] that then spawn an entire phyla.
This central archetype then becomes a sustained, central information bank for the phyla.
Releasing new genetic information in pulses over time.
This model not only accounts for the original forms, but also genetic control patterns of punctuated equilibrium. This is what the new evidence is showing in the context of the fossil record.

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Message 4 of 7 (204726)
05-03-2005 4:58 PM
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05-03-2005 4:47 PM


Re: Chaotic assumptions
You tried this once before.
Where is the evidence of this new fossil?
What labs have examined it?
What peer review process has been involved?
Why haven't you followed any of the suggestions made when you last proposed this in Message 1?

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metatron
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Message 5 of 7 (204772)
05-03-2005 8:03 PM
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05-03-2005 4:58 PM


Re: Chaotic assumptions
You seem to be more interested in drawing me into and untenable position rather than discussing actual science. This is obviously more of a socially oriented group rather that scientific, my mistake.

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AdminJar
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Message 6 of 7 (204774)
05-03-2005 8:10 PM
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05-03-2005 8:03 PM


Re: Chaotic assumptions
Science consists of submitting evidence and ideas to peer review. If you don't have any evidence, then what is there to discuss?
Other Admins may disagree and are free to promote this topic but when you base your theory on a new fossil find IMHO it is reasonable to ask for support that the thing even exists.
I recommend the topic be rejected but will ask other Admins to look it over.
AbE: I have asked the other Admins to look this over for consideration and possible promotion.
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Message 7 of 7 (205060)
05-04-2005 8:35 PM
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Topic Rejected
Sorry but I found no support to promote this topic. It's rejected and the thread closed.

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