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Limbo
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Message 1 of 9 (211350)
05-26-2005 12:03 AM


After satan tempted Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, God told him, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed(Satan's seed) and her seed(Jesus); it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
So since satan is no dummy, he knows that Gods victory and our salvation would be born of mortals in the person of Christ.
So satan came up with a plan: corrupt the seed of woman. If the line of David could be corrupted, Christ would never be born, and satan would succeed in destroying our salvation.
So fallen-angels began mating with mortal women. Genesis 6:1-"When men men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose." Genesis 6:4- "There were NEPHILLIM in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
Jude 6-7-"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation...giving themselves over to fornication,and going after STRANGE FLESH, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire".
Sons of God or B'nai haElohim in Hebrew, used also (and only) in Job 1:6, 2:1 & 38:7 - the term always refers to angels.
Parts of The Book of Enoch tell in more detail the story of wicked angels who abducted and mated with human women, resulting in the hybrid race known throughout secular and Biblical history as the Nephilim.
So satan and his angels created a race of powerful hybrids. Most of the world's ancient religions tell of hybrid man-gods with heads of animals, reptiles, etc. Fallen angelics and their supernatural offspring provide a factual, Biblical basis for creatures generally considered mythological gods by many today.
The days of Noah were filled with the hybrids. God said that "ALL FLESH WAS CORRUPT" upon the face of the earth.(Gen.6:12). Like a plague, the fallen angels nearly "infected" the entire human race. Gods good Angels and the flood took care of most of them, and Noah survived to carry on an untainted bloodline.
The armies of Israel have wiped out entire tribes of Nephilim at Gods command. People don't realize what was going on here, and they tend to think God cruelly ordered the death of innocent people. Once a person understands what was really going on it changes their entire view of the Bible.
The fallen angels were unable to prevent Christ from being born, and the seeds of their ultimate defeat are sown.
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Fast forward to modern times. The modern UFO phenomena roughly started in the 1947 with Roswell. Its no coincidence that Israel became a nation and the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered in the same year. Very important time period.
UFO cults are now everywhere. You can read online the primary doctrines of the The Raelian Religion, The Nibiruan Council, The Urantia Foundation, Heaven’s Gate, and they all say close to the same thing, they just usually disagree about where "their aliens" actually come from.
But most say that the aliens really created humans, they’ve been advancing our technology over the centuries, they sent us "leaders" like Moses, Buddha, and Jesus, and of course whoever the top dog in their group happens to be. They say that the aliens are here to help us. Most will use the Bible to support their claims. They just re-interpret it as one big UFO story where God is really just an advanced alien from another planet.
Modern UFO apologetics often make the argument that since the "primitive, superstitious people of Bible times" had no understanding of technologies which we take for granted today, they would see a UFO or an alien entity and - in ignorance - describe them as angels or gods. Actually the reverse is true- modern "sophisticated" man has little understanding of God. Extra-terrestrial simply means not earth-born or bound. In that sense, God and all angels are extra-terrestrial, or alien, but not in the sense that modern man thinks when one says "alien."
Anyone who objectively studies the UFO phenomena closely will realize that there is something very fishy going on here. The "extra-terrestrial hypothesis" simply does not hold up to scrutiny. There may yet be life on other planets, but what we are currently experiencing ain’t it folks.
quote:
"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestation and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena." - Lynn E. Catoe, UFOs and Related Subjects: USGPO, 1969; prepared under AFOSR Project Order 67-0002 and 68-0003
"We are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon which is largely indigenous to planet earth."
- Brad Steiger, [cited in] Blue Book Files Released in Canadian UFO Report, Vol. 4, No. 4, 1977, p. 20
"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships."
- Arthur C. Clarke, New York Times Book Review, 07/27/75
"There seems to be no evidence yet that any of these craft or beings originate from outer space." -Gordon Creighton, Official 1992 Flying Saucer Review Policy Statement
When ID is accepted and the world begins to grapple with the realization that we are designed, fallen-angels pretending to be aliens will openly claim to the entire world that they are the ancient progenitors of the human race. This will probably be timed so that it they 'save us' from calamity which they orchestrate behind the scenes, such as a world war. This is the 'End Time Delusion', which would 'deceive even the elect', and will lead to the setting up of the anti-christ on the world throne.
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2 Thes 2:9- "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie" Matthew 24:24-"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
The beings pretending to be aliens have had thousands of years to implement their deception. Ingeniously, these nonhumans have used that time to insinuate,into every culture, references to an elder race who have long been guiding humans (Annunaki, White Brotherhood etc). The beings pretending to be aliens have explained that the experimental humans they engineered into existence so long ago had never before emotionally matured, nor had they spiritually evolved to a sufficient level for contact with the "creators".
They will claim that the Bible is merely a primitive attempt to document their own interactions with humans. While these beings do appear in the Bible, scripture makes a clear distinction between the one God -- Creator and Redeemer, namely Jesus Christ -- and those deceptive beings who would CLAIM to be creative gods. These beings are the fallen angels and their leader, the rebel cherub referred to as Baal, Satan, the serpent and the devil.
The antichrist then goes on to set up a one-world government and a one-world religion (babylon), and declairs himself god in the 'Abomination of Desolation'. The rest is history.
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Message 2 of 9 (211436)
05-26-2005 9:50 AM


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Message 3 of 9 (211438)
05-26-2005 10:04 AM
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05-26-2005 12:03 AM


Fast forward to modern times. The modern UFO phenomena roughly started in the 1947 with Roswell. Its no coincidence that Israel became a nation and the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered in the same year. Very important time period.
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Message 4 of 9 (211482)
05-26-2005 12:48 PM
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05-26-2005 12:03 AM


When ID is accepted
You're right - that's a very scary scenario...
The beings pretending to be aliens have explained that the experimental humans they engineered into existence
Seriously though, even if ID is accepted surely the aliens didn't design experimental humans. The human lineage can be traced all the way back to proto-mammals and beyond that to some form of reptile (theraspid dinosaur?). So this idea falls flat on its face - who cares if somebody designed some reptiles (or their precursors) eons ago.
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Message 5 of 9 (211493)
05-26-2005 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Limbo
05-26-2005 12:03 AM


That's clearly some strong stuff you are smoking!
Besides the Sci-fi elements such as ID being accepted what are we suppose to be discussing? The second half seems to be a short story?

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arachnophilia
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Message 6 of 9 (211524)
05-26-2005 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Limbo
05-26-2005 12:03 AM


uh. i don't know far into this i'm going get. i have problems from the very first sentance.
After satan tempted Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden
i don't see satan's name in genesis 3. in fact, i don't see satan's name in genesis. in fact, i don't see satan's name in the ot at all until chronicles. (or job, depending on the order your bible is in)
the text indicates that it could NOT have been satan in genesis 3. it indicates that the serpent is a "beast of the field." when god curses him, he's cursed to lick the ground and go about on his stomach (no legs). the story contains an explanation of what makes a snake a snake. if it were satan, satan would literally be a snake.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed(Satan's seed)
no connection to satan, and seed is plural. i see where you're going with this though, so i'll let it slip.
and her seed(Jesus)
no connection there either. seed is plural, and means descendants. eve is the mother of mankind, so that doesn't really narrow it down to just jesus.
So fallen-angels began mating with mortal women. Genesis 6:1-
and
Sons of God or B'nai haElohim in Hebrew, used also (and only) in Job 1:6, 2:1 & 38:7 - the term always refers to angels.
really?
quote:
7 I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee.
there's a son of god of that's not an angel, or even heavenly. it's david. here's another:
quote:
Luk 3:38 Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.
i bet you can think of at least one more example that wasn't an angel. elsewhere in the world, they referred to their kings as living gods. since israel was monotheistic, they refered to them as sons of gods.
so it's quite likely that everytime it appears, בְנֵי-הָאֱלֹהִים refers to human beings. the nephillim, if you follow the parellism of the verse are "mighty men which were of old, men of renown." or heroes.
it seems that at some point, it became tradition to understand the sons of god as angels. enoch records it that way, as you rightly point out. but it should also be noted that in enoch, god doesn't destroy the world with a flood because of the nephillim. rather, he does it because of the people who FIGHT them. azazel ("the scapegoat" in lev) teaches man to make weapons and war machines to fight them. and god doesn't like that.
it should also be noted that enoch is apocryphal. and jude is a much later re-interpretation of the story, after the tradition arose. there is nothing in the text of genesis to indicate the heavenly origin of the sons of god.
factual, Biblical basis
don't see how the two are related.
The modern UFO phenomena roughly started in the 1947 with Roswell.
i'll do better. i'll tell you the exact dates. june 24th, 1947, in washington (state). kenneth arnold reported seeing white objects that skipped across the sky like saucers on a pond.
the state of israel was founded on may 14, 1948. that's almost a full year later... so yes, i would say it's not coincidence. as they don't coincide.
bit of a ufo-buff myself. i find cultural phenomina interesting. i think i have the only other current ufo thread here...

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Message 7 of 9 (211525)
05-26-2005 2:43 PM
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05-26-2005 12:03 AM


Hi Limbo,
I'm starting to have second thoughts about releasing this thread. I thought you would be attempting to support your hypothetical scenario using Biblical references, but it now appears possible that the hypotheticial scenario isn't yours and that you provided no attribution. Can you explain the similarity of this passage from you:
Limbo writes:
The beings pretending to be aliens have had thousands of years to implement their deception. Ingeniously, these nonhumans have used that time to insinuate,into every culture, references to an elder race who have long been guiding humans (Annunaki, White Brotherhood etc). The beings pretending to be aliens have explained that the experimental humans they engineered into existence so long ago had never before emotionally matured, nor had they spiritually evolved to a sufficient level for contact with the "creators".
With this passage from http://www.davidicke.net/...ruth/research/ufoconspiracy.html:
Extraterrestrials have had thousands, even millions of years to implement their deception. Ingeniously, these nonhumans have used that time to insinuate, into every culture, references to an elder race who have long been guiding humans (Nephilim Genesis 6, White Brotherhood etc). Extraterrestrials have explained that the experimental humans they engineered into existence so long ago had never before emotionally matured, nor had they spiritually evolved to a sufficient level for contact with the "creators".
I'm moving this back into PNT, you'll have to explain this.

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Message 8 of 9 (211526)
05-26-2005 2:43 PM


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Message 9 of 9 (211557)
05-26-2005 4:50 PM
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quote:
i don't see satan's name in genesis 3. in fact, i don't see satan's name in genesis. in fact, i don't see satan's name in the ot at all until chronicles.
There is ample evidence that it is indeed satan.
REVELATION 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, That Old Serpent, Called The Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
quote:
it should also be noted that enoch is apocryphal.
True, however Christ quotes Enoch, which tends to give it weight. Many experts believe that Enoch was not canonized because of its scary implications. The Church was much more comfortable with the 'Sons of Seth' interpretation.
I dont have ALL the answers, but Im searching. Since a friend and I first saw a UFO years ago I've been looking into it.
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