The evidence of God

I must say, I felt sad when I was made fun of for having a different viewpoint. For showing some depth. To want to believe in something as real as it is beautiful, where you're not let down by your peers or in the end.I do not adhere to science, I do not adhere to the evidence. Christians who are hoping I will change, I'll let you down. There is no place for logic in the discussion of God. I learned today though. In That you aren't allowed to use a word with many meanings until you are instructed how to use it by another man, with another philosophy, that you know about math. I can't believe God can be defined by a textbook or by man.I see people here and it's a tragedy. They can't see the spirit in their life in their world, in their experience. In their experiences. I see ppl that accept coincidence and submit to society's rules. They need something to get at, they gripe at a system that adheres to a God, but they accept a place, a place in where they are 1 in 6 billion living a life with an occupation, with a place, a life limited experience. And it is accepted. And they complain about old men and young children who believe in something more ignorant than what they believe. What is ignorance? Anything that doesn't follow your precious human evidence? This isn't racism. This can't be reasoned with. Righteous men have become from the Bible. Atheists denial of the only thing thats real in this entire earth of nothing amazes me. People criticize or demean those that don't adhere directly to the evidence are prejudice like racists. I would like to apologize to all atheists because a christian could be guilty of this. I hope you accept my apology from my descriminating remark. They crucify anyone and anything that doesn't agree with this evidence. This nothingness that has been given value. I'll side with the ignorant. I won't agree with you. How dare you define what's real. What is ignorant? What is worth believing in? You have no idea.The world can give a negative impression. Nature can give a negative impression. If you're sad the weather can make it worse, you start losing hope because you're letting yourself get pushed around, its like being a participant in society. Well I'm weak too, we all get pushed around then a high enlightened one takes away the only thing we have left. Our belief. He shapes and changes it threatening with evidence, with truth that his perspective is true. I refuse to deny God. Because I see God in you, I should be scorned and laughed at.This is why I feel so bad because I'm trying to show where the food is to these malnourished humans, on this journey down a downward spiral, this food is right next to them but they wont accept it. I don't enjoy it. I observe it. It's giving me this melancholy feeling right now because God is trying to teach me something or hes trying to dwindle my hope. But this oppression can't last forever, give me a few months. Ahtman=Brahman is true because I can see God in you, but all I wanted to do was to stick up for ppl losing their beliefs because the evidence is swaying them. It won't enhance your experience, it'll dwindle it to nothing, and if you lose the hope you have nothing. You become man made. But the fact is you were made by God, you been perfectly created. There's no errors in it or imperfections because there is a reason to it. That existentialist was wrong. It's not your fault that your life is bad. It's everybody elses. It's beyond your control, do your best ot not lose hope and keep your head up so you can witness God when he decides to cheer you up.Everyone deserves something when we die. I refuse to believe this hellhole is the best that we could expect and look forward to, "to make the best of".There are men breaking their bodys hoping and praying for peace, they're breaking their bodys for their undeserving children, they take all this oppression, this lie that life is good if you make it that way, they destroy themselves to give their children a better experience. They wait for their pensions too. So they can retire and not work anymore when their neary dead and not guaranteed another day. If that is all your existence consists of to live and die than there is no point in living. Because this life is harsh, its rough, its corrosive and poisonous, it exists solely to bring you down and when you're brought down to that point where you have no hope because a few enlightened ones wanted to let you know your beliefs hold no bearing and this is it and there is nothing beuatiful, it is all what it seems to be, don't worry you wont remember when you don't exist anymore, then you die and God stimulates you into being happy and you live. Or does god let you in on his secret: he tells your hard working wrinkled face that has been let down something that you needed to know that gave you peace, that let your tired body rests. I refuse that God gives empty promises. I refuse to believe my father prays in vain every sunday, pays homage to a god that doesnt even exist, that he sighs and he meditates, that he finds this bliss, that hes living to die to not exist anymore. I cant accept my favorite person doesnt exist anymore. I refuse to believe in second grade that my mother wasnt in heaven. And I still do. That evil fundamentalist consoled me, he gave me hope he was sure she was in heaven.People that vocally look down upon believers in an after life:YOU'RE adding to the filth, you're are the filth. you deny ppl the hope of peace in death, you seek to erase legacys, and desecrate memories and leave all those ppl to die and rot in this hell. This is hell. This earth is hell. I will not be confined to it. My dad wont be confined to it, they scream for it, I scream for it, I scream for justice , I scream for life, I scream to be happy, it rattles through my bones. And if I died and I was in the ground my soul would scream for me and my soul is real your soul is real, Good souls that get fucked over in life that get little money, that get destroyed and burnt by this world, by this system. Show me a man that died happy. Show me the truth. Show me God, show me God in everything. Because God would dare to not give each and every one of you what you deserve.People that preach death without life:You can choose to believe that this hell is all we have to expect. I won't. Stop preaching this hopeless message, that takes a piece of your soul and never brings it back. I refuse to be like you. I refuse to live like you. I see God in every major figure in history that has ever meant something or contributed something to us. I refuse to believe there is no hope for humans.There is hope. There is hope for life after death.Because the souls of the tortured, of the oppressed of the left for dead demand it, and you cannot deny them as you deny the God in yourself because you can not possess a soul that isn't yours.That's design. That's intelligent design, thats evidence for God.That's life after death, after hell.This message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-24-2005 08:12 PMThis message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-24-2005 08:14 PMThis message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-24-2005 08:18 PMThis message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-25-2005 01:27 PMThis message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-25-2005 01:33 PM

Rants also do not a good OP make.Go back over it. Take out the rants. Check the spelling. Break it down into readable paragraphs.Let's see if we can get something out of this. Find one thought or theme, state it in the first paragraph, then develop it in a few more. Additional points can be raised as the discussion proceeds.

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you disappoint me

Ok did my best to fix it all. To the best of my abilities I might add.This message has been edited by chris simon porteus jr, 04-24-2005 08:17 PM

You may have edited it but if so, I sure can't see that you made much of an effort. I'll ask other moderators to take a look at it but as it stands, I don't see much of a thread there.

I'm not going to delete things I wrote if that's what you're looking for.

Chris, I posted a request for some of the other Admins to look it over. As it stands it seems to be no more than a personal rant. I made some suggestions that I think would improve its chances. Maybe one of the other Admins will have other suggestions. Let's see what they say.In the mean time, if you'd try the suggestions I made in my first response it might help.

I think my "rant" outlines a clear point. I'm not well like so this will probably never get promoted.

Chris...you know that I respect the passion that comes from a piece such as this. I sent you my reply on it, and I can only say that it speaks from the heart and not the mind. Were this my forum, I would approve it because you ARE well liked by me! As a fellow Believer and a friend, I can only encourage you to let your feelings and passion be known! This is by and large an "educational" science forum filled with worldly wisdom. We Believers have to learn to choose our words concisely, thoroughly, and selectively in order to get our point across here.I fear that were I to approve this passionate speech and place it in the Coffee House, it would be misunderstood and critiqued mercilessly by the members of EvC. Both you and I know why that would happen.Remember your target audience. You do know how they think and what they believe. ask yourself how they will respond to what you have written.As for me, I applaud your honesty. Add by edit: (This would be my post.) I wonder if I would get approved? The Philosophy of Hope

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As I have matured and (hopefully) gained wisdom throughout the years, the thought has recently occurred to me to ask myself where the wisdom that I have gained has come from? Most certainly I have read many books by many authors with many degrees behind their names! In regards to the Bible, I have discussed it and read it both from the standpoint of a detached and critical observer and as a Christian believer who, having experienced the gift of imparted wisdom, cherishes many passages and many words contained within the good book.

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I have learned that in the realm of theories and proofs, one does not get very far with a wish or a prayer. At least not far with convincing others of ones faith and the depths and wealth and love and hope contained within such a faith.

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When I was younger, this used to bother me. I knew...KNEW deep within my soul that my faith was not ignorant. I was not a Physics major, nor an educated Theologian, nor even a skilled logician. Everyone basically told me that my faith was subjective. Moreover, they informed me that my faith was illogical, and, as a matter of reference, imaginary! Has this ever happened to any of you? I am speaking about a personal thing for me...the knowledge of Hope! I have never given up my hope, and the reason is not illogical. The reason is because I sometimes see the same flame burning brightly in the soul of another person! My faith is quickened, and I realise that my Hope is intelligent and is bigger than I am! Any comments? This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-25-2005 02:19 AM

Hi Chris,Rule 3 of the Forum Guidelines says:

3. Respect for others is the rule here. Argue the position, not the person. The Britannica says, "Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach."

If you can bring a narrower focus to your post and state your case objectively without castigating entire classes of people, then it can be released.

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Sorry Percy,
I fixed what I did wrong. I hope it is acceptable now.

I think the only prerequisites to having a belief is your mind and your conscience.

You're right it wouldn't belong in the coffee house, thanks for caring phat.

Sorry, Chris, can't tell the difference.Narrowing the focus can be done like this:

• State the premise, in other words, state your position, briefly and clearly, in an opening paragraph.
• Provide some supporting discussion and/or evidence for your position. This will give people something to reply to, and can foreshadow what arguments you might raise later.
• Conclude with a short summary.

Keep it light, unemotional, upbeat. 500 words or less should do it.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I don't see what is wrong with it, my argument is clear.