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Dead Parrot
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Message 1 of 11 (206680)
05-10-2005 6:06 AM


{Suggested for the "Big Bang & Cosmology" Forum, or maybe the "Could Eta_Carinae explain this in small words" Forum :D}

From Space.com:

quote:
Astronomers photographed a cosmic event this morning [May 9th] which they believe is the birth of a black hole, SPACE.com has learned.

A faint visible-light flash moments after a high-energy gamma-ray burst likely heralds the merger of two dense neutron stars to create a relatively low-mass black hole, said Neil Gehrels of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. It is the first time an optical counterpart to a very short-duration gamma-ray burst has ever been detected.

Gamma rays are the most energetic form of radiation on the electromagnetic spectrum, which also includes X-rays, light and radio waves.

The merger occurred 2.2 billion light-years away, so it actually took place 2.2 billion years ago and the light just reached Earth this morning.


More at the article.

Apart from being a rather cool bit of astromony, Most of the details are based on boring non-biblical science, so I would be fascinated to hear any Creationist takes on what just happened.

How do gamma bursts, neutron stars and black holes fit into Genesis?
Is this part of God's divine plan, or is He just being ineffable?


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Message 3 of 11 (206725)
05-10-2005 10:01 AM
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05-10-2005 6:06 AM


God's Science project
DeadParrot writes:

How do gamma burst, neutron stars and black holes fit into Genesis? Is this part of God's divine plan, or is He just being ineffable?


I somehow do not remember reading anything in Genesis about gamma burst or neutron stars or black holes for that matter. Isn't it best to leave the Science explanations and observtions to the scientist rather than to attempt to merge modern cosmology with ancient mans primitive understanding of creation? *What I mean is humans know so much more now about the nature of how universe operates. Is it fair to compare this to ancient text?* It is (IMO) accepted by those who subscribe to creationism that the mechanisms of how the universe unfolds is God's personal science project and now through scientific methodology is being better studied and understood by humankind. *edit astericks*

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Message 4 of 11 (206751)
05-10-2005 11:21 AM
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05-10-2005 6:06 AM


As someone who believes in theistic creation, I'd say that it's simply more evidence of how GOD dunit.


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Dead Parrot
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Message 5 of 11 (206821)
05-10-2005 4:27 PM
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05-10-2005 10:01 AM


Re: God's Science project
Isn't it best to leave the Science explanations and observtions to the scientist rather than to attempt to merge modern cosmology with ancient mans primitive understanding of creation?

:) I'd have thought so, but then we wouldn't have an EvC forum...


Mat 27:5 And he went and hanged himself
Luk 10:37 Go, and do thou likewise.

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Dead Parrot
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Message 6 of 11 (206825)
05-10-2005 4:53 PM
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05-10-2005 11:21 AM


Jar,
Sorry, I should have specified Young Earth (or should that be young Universe?) Creationists. None the less, I'd be interested to know how you view this as evidence for a Creator.

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Message 7 of 11 (219836)
06-26-2005 10:46 PM
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05-10-2005 11:21 AM


Yes I am also interested in knowing how this is more evidence of how go*d* dunit. By your account how did god dunit?

** = edit
spelling error srry

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jar
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Message 8 of 11 (219844)
06-26-2005 10:58 PM
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Perhaps this might be clearer.
I did not say that it was evidence of the creator, but rather how the creator accomplished things.


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Message 9 of 11 (219847)
06-26-2005 11:01 PM
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06-26-2005 10:46 PM


Not really on topic.
I think you need to understand my point of view, but I'm not sure this is the place for it. Perhaps in some new thread we can get into that subject if you don't come across some of my posts on the subject first.


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Message 10 of 11 (219901)
06-27-2005 2:48 AM
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06-26-2005 10:58 PM


Re: Perhaps this might be clearer.
I understand perfectly. I am very interested in seeing how you believe the creator created the universe and such. Please do create new thread.

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jar
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Message 11 of 11 (219996)
06-27-2005 11:29 AM
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06-27-2005 2:48 AM


Re: Perhaps this might be clearer.
Well that's short enough I can even answer here. I see the Universe created in almost exactly the same way as an atheist would, including the Big-Bang and all events afterwards.


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