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celestialGyoud
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Message 1 of 11 (502849)
03-13-2009 5:34 PM


Hello,

Scientists have been accustomed to hear that 'animals evolved all by themselves
and animals are physically a result from their evolution'.

See through this point of view,

Actually there is no evolution without the presence of that through which
animals are physically living: that which is energy;
a flamed living electricity that is called light;

Because if there is a light of living electricity
[or light of life] in the body of an animal or human
then that animal or human is living and exists indeed,

and if there is no light of living electricity [or light of life] in that body
then that same animal or human no longer exists.

Animal or human do not evolve unless there is life or living electricity in them,
so where is evidence of presence of an intelligent designer?

This is the evidence,
If animals or humans do not evolve unless
there is life or living electricity in them,

then those animals or humans did not even come into existence unless
there was an immediate beginning of light which is the time of
permanence that the light was first present in order for animals and
humans to come into existence,

that is: an immediate beginning of that living electricity had to be present first
even before any process of evolution could take place.

And someone will say,
Which evidence are you bringing up that animals and humans were not evolving all by themselves?

If animals and humans were evolving all by themselves then they themselves would BE the Light,

* [the Light that was first present in order for animals and humans to come into existence or temporarily evolve],

and then a man could also say 'I AM THAT I AM' regardless of the fact that he is becoming dust of the ground soon.

Does any of this make sense to you?


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Message 2 of 11 (502925)
03-14-2009 9:03 AM


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Message 3 of 11 (502927)
03-14-2009 9:07 AM


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Hi all!

I've promoted this thread into the Is It Science? forum because the more central issue with CrazyDiamond7's ideas isn't evolution but the nature of science itself. Please try to gauge CrazyDiamond7's degree of understanding of the nature of science and address his ideas in a manner that will be comprehensible to both sides.


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Message 4 of 11 (502942)
03-14-2009 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by celestialGyoud
03-13-2009 5:34 PM


You asked the question, so here is my answer
CrazyDiamond7 writes:

Does any of this make sense to you?


Not in the least.

All you have in your OP is apologetics. No evidence.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Message 5 of 11 (503085)
03-15-2009 9:43 PM


Whoa. I am easily confused. Instead of the circular dance you did, how about stating what you have to say in unambiguous English?

Deciphering almost always leads to misunderstandings.


  
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Message 6 of 11 (503098)
03-16-2009 1:54 AM


Is diamond related to desdamona, author of this post?
  
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Message 7 of 11 (503110)
03-16-2009 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by celestialGyoud
03-13-2009 5:34 PM


Actually there is no evolution without the presence of that through which
animals are physically living: that which is energy;
a flamed living electricity that is called light;

Because if there is a light of living electricity
[or light of life] in the body of an animal or human
then that animal or human is living and exists indeed,

and if there is no light of living electricity [or light of life] in that body
then that same animal or human no longer exists.

Animal or human do not evolve unless there is life or living electricity in them,
so where is evidence of presence of an intelligent designer?

There is no such thing as 'living electricity'; it's an idea from the 19th century that has long since been discredited. All living things operate by the same processes that operate in all other chemical and physical systems.


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Message 8 of 11 (503111)
03-16-2009 7:15 AM
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03-13-2009 5:34 PM


CrazyDiamond7 writes:

This is the evidence,
If animals or humans do not evolve unless
there is life or living electricity in them,...

Evidence comes from observations of the natural world using our senses, not from a proposition about what might be true if something else were true.

You also have problems with terminology. While we all know what it means to say that life is within something, all it means is that the lifeform is still alive. Scientifically, being alive is not a matter of being inhabited by a substance called life, a substance for which there is no evidence. I know there's lots of fiction using phrases like, "The life ebbed from his being...", but that's not science. In science, being alive is an emergent property of living things.

You'll notice that the responses you've drawn so far indicate that people think you're not making much sense. If you state your position using standard scientific terminology while focusing on hard evidence then you're more likely to be understood.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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Message 9 of 11 (503152)
03-16-2009 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by celestialGyoud
03-13-2009 5:34 PM


CD,

Actually there is no evolution without the presence of that through which
animals are physically living: that which is energy;
a flamed living electricity that is called light;

I just read my tealeaves & it turns out you are wrong.

Mark


There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Message 10 of 11 (505120)
04-07-2009 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by celestialGyoud
03-13-2009 5:34 PM


I certainly can't explain life but I do know that the OP doesn't either. Neither is it science.
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Message 11 of 11 (512158)
06-14-2009 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by celestialGyoud
03-13-2009 5:34 PM


Maybe taking this one step at a time would help.

1) What is this "light" that powers living organisms?
2) How can we detect it?
3) How can we verify it independently?


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