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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Here's a picture of the new partial-birth abortion ban being signed into law. What's wrong with this picture?
NARAL Pro-Choice America Anybody?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Looks good to me.
It's obviously a well thought out plan by a bunch of really ugly women. Moose
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Other than the fact that there are no women there?
How about the fact that it wasn't that long ago that he stated that our culture isn't ready for a ban on abortion? How about the fact that pb abortions are already ONLY done in extreme circumstances, thus making this a ban on a doctor/patient decision on a safe medical procedure deemed necessary? How about the fact that the table cuts of the view of their jackboots? ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Other than the fact that there are no women there? Well, that was it, really. What a goof. You'd think that if you were going to launch the opening salvo in the War on Women, you'd at least have a woman there, so that it didn't totally look like sexism. But then, this is the GOP, and they're not exactly diversity-friendly, are they?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: ...............Nor any little children who've been waiting, growing, developing, listening for nearly nine long months for this wornderful opportunity to see and experience this life of human existence they've already been given, and who will be spared the terrible brutal death they would experience, were it not for these men....these little ones who, if they could speak would shout, HEY, IT'S NOT MOM'S BODY -- IT'S MINE WERE FUSSIN OVER HERE!!
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
ok buz...
Here is your choice...no appeals that god is the only one who can make this decision you must make a choice one must die 1. a widowed mother of two small toddlers, their sole support and family 2. an eight month fetus with physical disabilities who, if born, will be orphaned along with its two siblings No comments on the scenario. A simple answer is requested...1 or 2, which one dies? ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Asgara, as I understand the bill abortion pba can be performed if mother's life is at risk but not necessarily if her health is at risk. The reasoning here is that nearly any excuse could be claimed for a mothers health to be at risk. If it meant life or death to the mother, naturally I'd have to go with the abortion, but that would be a very minute percentage of cases and I believe the bill provides for that anyhow.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other than the fact that there are no women there? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: Good Call! ------------------This is Prophecyexclaimed, seem to have forgotten my password...
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
First, as Justice O'Connor pointed out, Nebraska's prohibition on partial birth abortions did not provide a "health of the mother" exception -- that is, an exception allowing the banned procedure if it is the best method for ensuring the health of the mother. In Justice O'Connor's view, and that of a majority of the Court, such an exception constitutionally must exist even for a relatively late-term abortion. But the federal law includes no such exception. Second, as Justice O'Connor also pointed out, Nebraska's law did not provide a sufficiently precise definition of what procedure, exactly, it was banning. The state legislature claimed to be targeting an uncommon and especially gruesome procedure known as "D & X" -- dilation and extraction. But in fact, according to Justice O'Connor (who was picking up on the complaints of physicians) that statute appeared to affect not only D&X's, but also a broad range of other abortion procedures. Justice O'Connor and the majority made clear that this vagueness placed abortion providers in an impossible position. As a result, it also places an unconstitutional burden on a woman's right to choose. Like the Nebraska law the Court struck down in Stenberg, the federal law also appears to sweep broadly in the procedures it bans. It displays the very same vagueness problem. And thus, it is unconstitutional for the very same reason. CNN.com - Assessing the new anti-'partial-birth' abortion legislation - Oct. 31, 2003
Opponents argue it will subject doctors to jail time and fines for utilizing a range of procedures that might be the safest and most appropriate for a particular woman in a particular situation. Viasat Internet Service Providers Near Me Page not found – National Organization for Women Reproductive Freedom | American Civil Liberties Union
buz writes: as I understand the bill abortion pba can be performed if mother's life is at risk but not necessarily if her health is at risk This is one of the reasons that this bill is unconstitutional. Versions of it have been struck down in the past for this very reason. Since when does the federal government have the right to place bans on the safest, best care a doctor can offer a patient? Bush himself has stated that this ban is because of his fundamentalist worldview:
bush writes: the right to life "cannot be granted or denied by government because it does not come from government. It comes from the creator of life." ------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
What strikes me is the fact that a disagreement on the Abortion issue comes up, abortion is in fact murder, is it not? Rare situations such as the one talked about (if baby born mother dies) are very difficult to voice an opinion on.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Abortion is not legally murder. That is the heart of the arguement. Attempts to use a religious point of view to change the legal definitions involved. A fertilized single cell is not currently defined as a human being. Murder is a specific form of killing a human being. Therefore abortion is not currently defined as being murder.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I find it pretty odd that they're all smirking like someone just offstage had just farted loudly.....
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Iron Man / Prophecyexclaimed:
There is a password recovery method in the "Forums Help" pull down menu (there does not seem to be a way for me to supply a direct link). You need to enter your e-mail address there, and your password will be e-mailed to you, at that address. It would probably be best that you continue with your original name. Adminnemooseus
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: When that care involves the horrible brutal torture death of another fully developed, body, soul, brain and all human being 3/4 of a year old which that mother has brought to be. The framers of the Constitution would agree with me here, hands down, Asgara. They framed the Constitution to protect all of humanity, including the little children, regardless of status.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
quote: No, noble men smile when good is done and their action saves the little helpless children, defenseless to save themselves.
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