We are still children to God.

Some believe we are only children in the eyes of god. Like children we love, fight and live life the way we choose. God loves us like his children and like any parent he will not trust us with freedoms until we have proven that we are up to the task. You ask for proof of the existence of God but you and all of us living on earth cannot bring God down for display and scientific study. We cannot know God until we grow beyond our current beliefs. It's not a call to dump your religion or start a new one instead it is to realize that you are a child who wants to grow up.

Then why is god such a negligent parent? When human parents treat their kids with such a lack of concern for well-being, they go to jail. What lets god off the hook?Just a question. I don't believe in god so I don't really care. But something I've always wondered and never heard a reasonable answer to.

The answer is far simpler than you probably want. God is no more neglecting us than a parent who gives all the freedom they can trust the child with. People have the power to do what they will. Some don’t even want to believe that God exists in the sense the religions of the world have attempted to portray. Why? Because there is more to the story than what has been written. The best parents in the world lose children to car accidents as well as cancer. This is no more the fault of God than it is the fault of the parents. It is the fault of us all and society that we let our selves die. The only difference between acts of God and acts of men are that acts of God are randomized and come with warning so that man can find ways around them they are tests while acts of man are the acts of a fumbling child who has not yet sat down to face the true tests to becoming an adult.

Earthquakes have warnings now????

'Then why is god such a negligent parent? 'God is guiltless, this is what first must be realised . It is humans who are negligent, and it is we who answer to him, he has no master.Nor can he be made wrong by argument.
Also his hand is always there to help us,when we fall , i know this from experience.

Why? Why should god be above the moral code he imposes on us? What meaning could justice have if the so-called "god of justice" is above his own law?I'm not trying to pin the blame on god for anything but a failure to follow his own rules. That doesn't sound like justice to me.

Yes, earthquakes do come with warnings.Except that the warnings don't come from God.They come from siesmologists using human technology.

'What meaning could justice have if the so-called "god of justice" is above his own law?'I think God made the laws for us to follow , ofcourse there is certainly no justice on earth,people go to jail who are innocent,people die cos they're so poor e.t.c/ one of the biggest reasons for non believers in God i've heard is 'why does God allow all the suffering ' however God suffered for us all on the cross and the only justice for such people is God.
when did God break his own laws anyway?

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Originally posted by Ore:
Some believe we are only children in the eyes of god.

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'Some' believe many things, what's your point?

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Like children we love, fight and live life the way we choose. God loves us like his children and like any parent he will not trust us with freedoms until we have proven that we are up to the task.

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You seem to be be making all sorts of unjustified claims, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF!!??

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You ask for proof of the existence of God but you and all of us living on earth cannot bring God down for display and scientific study.

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Then tell us, please, why on earth we should believe that he exists?

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We cannot know God until we grow beyond our current beliefs. It's not a call to dump your religion or start a new one instead it is to realize that you are a child who wants to grow up.

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So, then, which beliefs should we adopt?

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when did God break his own laws anyway?

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Isn't one of god's laws that "thou shall not kill"?I seem to recall a time when god killed everybody except 8 people.I also recall something about not bearing false witness, and yet Romans 3:7 says that lying for god isn't a sin. In fact, Jeremiah 20:7 has a guy complaining that god lied to him not to mention the times god did things to deliberately make people believe the wrong thing (2 Thessalonians 2:11, 2 Chronicles 18:22, 1 Kings 22:23) and that god is not above lying (Ezekiel 14:9).------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

rrhain writes:I seem to recall a time when god killed everybody except 8 people.God judges us remember , he made the rules because we dont know right or wrong , like now your trying to make him wrong . however since he designed and foreseen you, and is way more intelligent beyond you, even what you can imagine, how can he be made wrong in anything he does . its a brave man who tells him he's wrong to his face on judgement day.'I also recall something about not bearing false witness,'God is incapable of sin and is beyond human judgement. if you hear my voice then you are of the truth he said ,but since you arent you are incapable of seeing the foolish things of God are wiser than men.
show me the exact words from were you made these ideas and i will interperate them properly

If he's the source of moral laws why doesn't he have to follow them? Why would god forbid certain actions or judge us for them when he commits those actions himself?It's not a matter of us judging god. It's a matter of why god gets to judge us without judging himself.Justice isn't arbitrary, it doesn't play favorites, and it is dispensed the same way for each type of crime. Consider: were the antidiluvean people really so much worse than us? If not, why did they deserve to be washed from the face of the earth while we get forgiven for our sins? Seems arbitrary, doesn't it? Justice can't be arbitrary. If I meet god in that situation, I'll certainly have a lot of questions. Like "why act like you don't are, or don't exist?" And "why the double moral standard?" and "Did you do everything you could for the welfare of your creation?" I think those are reasonable questions for a god who's supposed to be a concerned, active creator. If god doesn't like them, he should change the way he acts or not have created such questioning minds in the first place.If god exists, and is my creator, by the moral law he himself created, he is as accountable to me as I am to him. If he can't rationalize his actions to my satisfaction, I'll tell him he's wrong to his face. As a moral person I could do no less. We're not asking him to submit to human judgement, but rather to submit to his own objective judgement. Anything less is irresponsible and injust.

Forgive me, but I just had to toss in a comment. Stepping back and looking at the big picture, God at a glance seems more like a spoiled child to me. No offense to any christians present, but an omnipotent being who arbitrarily creates a world and a million billion species to inhabit it, and then acts upset, killing almost everything, when his little pets aren't perfect doesn't sound like a neglectful parent. It sounds like maybe God's parents are the omnipotent ones, and God is but a spoiled celestial child. He is temperamental, secretive, vague and, apparently, subjected to mood-swings. He obviously doesn't follow the moral code he imposes on us, but he also doesn't give us any proof that there will be consequences if we don't obey until after we're dead, at which point it's too late to relay anything back to where it matters, the big happy fun land of the living.When his creations start being rude to eachother, he gets vengeful and wrathful, and sends pestilence and all that down to earth. Um, i'm not exactly well-educated as far as the bible is concerned, so take everything I say with a grain of salt and know that I say it with the understanding that it quite possibly isn't true - this is for my own enlightenment - but, how can you explain not being bothered at all by annihilating all life on Earth excepting Noah and his family and two of every "kind" of animal which all got on a really, really big boat (err, a distinct physical impossibility) and then flinging pestilence and locusts or frogs or whatever at the Egyptians because they're not letting the people he likes free, other than admitting that either the Bible is strongly metaphorical and is not meant to be taken at *all* literally, or that God is just a highly temperamental and unjust feller all on his own?Hope I didn't offend anyone. Once again, I'm just an uneducated sap as far as Christianity goes.

'It's not a matter of us judging god. It's a matter of why god gets to judge us without judging himself.'everything you have just said is clearly self righteous .go and read ezekiel 33 'the justice of Gods ways'
only a a self righteous person asks the question 'Why does God get to judge us but not himself'
are you suggesting you are correct, one tiny human being compared with Almighty God?
it is also written that the wages of sin is death.'If I meet god in that situation, I'll certainly have a lot of questions.'but your righteousness is as filthy rags to him, this is why Jesus asks how can we exceed the righteousness of the pharisees and scribes,because he knows we 'gentiles' cant keep the law of God , but we are made RIGHTEOUSS ONLY by Jesus Christ !
i'll give you a simple story , a shopkeeper who owns his shop, now when someone steals a chocolate bar from him he is a thief,however if the shopkeeper takes a chocolate bar to eat without paying does the customer scream out 'you thief' you ate your own chocolate bar , ofcourse he doesn't . because its his chocolate bar to eat.nor does he answer to the customes.
do you see my point , i've made this point because i have read an awful lot about self righteousness, i know its a silly parable but can you see what i am trying to tell you?

Here's a simpler, more germaine story.A guy kills another guy in a bar fight. The police come to arrest the murderer. As the drag him away the cop pulls his gun and shoots a bystander for no reason. The murderer says "You just killed a man! You're as bad as I am! You broke the law!" The cop says "no, I am the law."Wouldn't that be a scary, unjust world to live in? I think so. That's the world your biblical god appears to have live in, though.I don't bow to human tyrants, and I won't bow to a divine one. There are certain moral codes that I believe are the most beneficial for the humans that submit to them - they're universal in that sense - and the idea that the lawmaker is him/herself subject to his own law is one of them. If god doesn't follow that law then god is immoral, even if moral law stems from god.Just because you make the law doesn't make you above it.