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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 68 (64480)
11-04-2003 10:39 PM


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quote: Buz:
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I don't see why one who badmouths the true god Jehovah should expect to get anything from him without repentance to begin with.
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Quote: Schrafinator response:
I don't badmouth God, buzsaw.
It it true that I have little patience for foolishness and intellectual dishonesty, but it has nothing to do with God.
If God exists, I doubt that She will be so insecure and egomaniacal as to need me to apologize to Her for anything.
Besides, She has always known what I would do and how I would act, anyway. I am exactly the way She made me, and She likes me this way.
Shall we explain to Shrafinator what badmouthing involves or do we simply ignore her insolence to the Christian and Jewish god Jehovah who has always referred to himself in the male gender? It's gotta be insolence. Surely she's not that ignorant.
And btw, does she really understand foolishness and intellectual dishonesty?

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sidelined
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From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
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Message 2 of 68 (64482)
11-04-2003 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-04-2003 10:39 PM


buzsaw
Do you feel a punishment is in order?Perhaps God is sensitive about this and will strike her dead.Revenge is mine sayeth the lord? Perhaps in your righteous indignation you would feel it should be you who metes out any punishment.Is a stoning out of the question? Maybe some other punishment from the bible would be more suited to the crime.If you have a streak of agression you could think up your own method of inflicting a suitable punishment.
Honestly is it not the right of a human being to have his/her own opinion on issues despite it flying in the face of what you believe.It would do you good to turn the other cheek methinks.

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Brad McFall
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Message 3 of 68 (64484)
11-04-2003 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-04-2003 10:39 PM


Proverbs?
I don't know but I can/could read Proverbs 27:10-16
10Thine own friend; and thy father's friend,
forsake not; neither go into thy brother's
house in the day of thy calamity; for better is a
neighbour that is near than a brother far off.
11My son, be wise, and make my heart glad,\
that I may answer him that reproach me.
12A prudent man forseeth the evil, and
hideth himself; but the simple pass on, and are
punished.
13Take his garment that is surety for a
stranger, and take a pledge of him for a
strange women.
14He that blesseth his friend with a loud
voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be
counted a curse to him.
15Continual dropping in a very rainy day
and a contentious woman are alike.
16Whomsoever hideth her hideth the wind,
and the ointment of his right hand,
which bewrayeth itself.
And just (so) that there is no confusion the new mayor of Ithaca NY is C.Peterson, a female, with unbelievable skill in memory who remembered me after stopping at my apartment once on a campagin a year ago. I voted for her. I just dont know but it reads to me.

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Buzsaw
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Message 4 of 68 (64488)
11-05-2003 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by sidelined
11-04-2003 11:07 PM


quote:
Do you feel a punishment is in order?Perhaps God is sensitive about this and will strike her dead.Revenge is mine sayeth the lord? Perhaps in your righteous indignation you would feel it should be you who metes out any punishment.Is a stoning out of the question? Maybe some other punishment from the bible would be more suited to the crime.If you have a streak of agression you could think up your own method of inflicting a suitable punishment.
Honestly is it not the right of a human being to have his/her own opinion on issues despite it flying in the face of what you believe.It would do you good to turn the other cheek methinks.
I've no way of guessing what God should or would do to anyone. That's his business. My original point was that for one to get from God, there's responsibilities to assume according to his words and one of those is deep respect.
Imo, her response to my statement contradicts her statement that she's not a badmouther of the god, Jehovah. I've no desire for evil to come to her and certainly, yes, she's as much right to say what she wants as the rest of us. You miss my point completely. I just thought she'd be smart enough to understand that her statement would be as badmouthingly insolent to the god Jehovah as I would to her if I called her Mr. Schrafinator, knowing she was a female. That's all. Get it now?

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Zhimbo
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Message 5 of 68 (64489)
11-05-2003 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Buzsaw
11-05-2003 12:28 AM


You have large, ergonomically designed, prominent buttons installed, Buz.

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Buzsaw
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Message 6 of 68 (64490)
11-05-2003 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Brad McFall
11-04-2003 11:24 PM


Re: Proverbs?
I'm puzzled by your post, Brad. Good scriptures but what relative to the topic do they prove or what point relevent to this topic are you trying to make? Btw, I just voted for two women today for local offices but no way will I publicly refer to them as "him/he" when no sensible or respectful person in my town would refer to them as "her/she."
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-05-2003]

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Buzsaw
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Message 7 of 68 (64491)
11-05-2003 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Zhimbo
11-05-2003 12:39 AM


quote:
You have large, ergonomically designed, prominent buttons installed, Buz.
I'll run with that as a compliment, Zhimbo, as ergonomics seem to be in here in town. You haven't noticed how large Shrafinator's have become?

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sidelined
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From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
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Message 8 of 68 (64492)
11-05-2003 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Buzsaw
11-05-2003 12:28 AM


buzsaw
I am sorry but I cannot see how you find the audacity to believe that you somehow presume to understand what would or would not piss God off in the first place. Respect is earned never forced and if God can't take what I assume to be a little ribbing then he sure has a job of responsibilty beyond his emotional capabilities doesn't he?
Of course you can blow this off in a minute since I am an atheist and no expert on the big guy myself but there is one other phrase I remember about judge not lest ye be judged.

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sidelined
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Message 9 of 68 (64493)
11-05-2003 12:55 AM


Damn I sure hope I haven't angered Mrs.God

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NosyNed
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Message 10 of 68 (64497)
11-05-2003 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by sidelined
11-05-2003 12:55 AM


It seems to me that God can't possibly be either male or female. She/He is the god of all humans right?
Plus we are all made in His/Her image right?
Doesn't seem to work if God is specifically either gender. Besides why does a unique creature need gender?

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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 68 (64499)
11-05-2003 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by sidelined
11-05-2003 12:53 AM


quote:
I am sorry but I cannot see how you find the audacity to believe that you somehow presume to understand what would or would not piss God off in the first place.
That's a no brainer, Sidelined that one would show less respect for deity than would be considered for a fellow human. G'nite/morning.

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Buzsaw
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Message 12 of 68 (64500)
11-05-2003 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by NosyNed
11-05-2003 1:18 AM


quote:
It seems to me that God can't possibly be either male or female. She/He is the god of all humans right?
Plus we are all made in His/Her image right?
Doesn't seem to work if God is specifically either gender. Besides why does a unique creature need gender?
Mmmmm, I'm beginning to see why you people manage to swallow that impossible evo pill. One more time before the sack..... Now read what I'm sayin VERY carefully and T H I N K, Ned. All 12 or 14 hundred or so pages of his book refer to both him and his son in the male gender. I'll leave you with that. Try REAL HARD to think of why he would prefer being refered to as he refers himself. Think REAL HARD, now Ned and as I hit the hay I'll pray REAL HARD in the name of his son Jesus that you'll be able to fathom this very DEEEEEEP concept. Ok?

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NosyNed
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Message 13 of 68 (64501)
11-05-2003 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
11-05-2003 1:20 AM


Like a diety is going to have hurt feelings!!!??? A fellow fragile human being needs some gentleness and help. A omipotent ruler/creator of ths cosmos needs their ego protected?
Come on! Geez!
S/he knows and understands our innermost self, why would it have a problem with our feelings.
Does God have no sense of humour?

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PaulK
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Message 14 of 68 (64502)
11-05-2003 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
11-04-2003 10:39 PM


I really don't understand the issue. If you were a Mormon then you'd HAVE to insist that God was male. However I don't see how a transcendant unique self-sufficient deity would have a gender as we understand it.
Quite frankly I think you are the one who should apologise for your arrogance in putting yourself forward as God's representative in this matter.

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sidelined
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Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 15 of 68 (64513)
11-05-2003 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Buzsaw
11-05-2003 1:20 AM


buzsaw
Sorry to say old man but the God of the bible was less concerned with respect than he was with fear.People kept in an atmosphere of fear are no longer capable of rational thought for the most part so Why would he be surprised at our actions under those conditions.
Now,since the bible is not such a great deal other than to employ a number of people in administration of spreading the word[and vainly to decipher its muddy waters] and since the idea of a God such as is portrayed in the bible is,IMO,laughable in the extreme I do not fear nor respect a non existent God.I simply do not have anything in my life that remotely acknowledges him/her /it.

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