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Author Topic:   If God made a mistake would he tell us?
Peter
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Message 1 of 42 (33226)
02-26-2003 8:04 AM


Suppose God created the universe, and the earth
and populated it with dinosaurs.
He then, after watching them for a few million years
decided that they were a bad idea, so he deluged the
planet, encasing them all in sedimentary rocks,
and started again.
This time he made some ape-like things, and thought
that's a bit better, but I could still do more.
So he wipes out that bunch, and creates Adam and Eve.
'Yes!' he says got that right ... well until they go a bit
crazy.
Would God bother to tell us all that, or just start with
the need-to-know bits?

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Message 2 of 42 (33230)
02-26-2003 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Peter
02-26-2003 8:04 AM


Then considering dinosaurs roamed the Earth for about 150 million years, who's to say we're not next on the 'previous mistakes' list

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Peter
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Message 3 of 42 (33236)
02-26-2003 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by David unfamous
02-26-2003 8:23 AM


Well ... there is an armageddon clause written into
our contract I believe!

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Message 4 of 42 (33265)
02-26-2003 12:36 PM
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02-26-2003 8:53 AM


You might want to find out what armageddon is. It's an abused term.
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Peter
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Message 5 of 42 (33329)
02-27-2003 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by funkmasterfreaky
02-26-2003 12:36 PM


I thought it was a city in the middle east somewheres
But I think most people would understand the apocalyptic
common-or-garden usage of the term (if only from the
Bruce Willis movie)

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Message 6 of 42 (33354)
02-27-2003 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by funkmasterfreaky
02-26-2003 12:36 PM


Gods final battle on the mount of Megiddo isn't it? Why he'd need to come down to Earth and physically fight I really don't know.

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amai
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Message 7 of 42 (41202)
05-24-2003 4:07 AM


quote:
Gods final battle on the mount of Megiddo isn't it? Why he'd need to come down to Earth and physically fight I really don't know.
the Armageddon will take place a thousand years after the Last Trumpet that signaled the end of tribulation. after the last trumpet, Jesus would come down and set up the New Jerusalem to rule there literally(with His bride). satan meanwhile will be imprisoned in a "fiery lake of burning sulfur.
after a thousand year reign, Satan will be released(for a reason I don't know. probably to give him another chance), and will deceive the nations outside the New Jerusalem and to gather them for Battle.
after that is the Armageddon. God(the triune) didn't come down to fight Satan and his army. God the Son will already be on earth when that time comes.
hope that helps.
[This message has been edited by amai, 05-24-2003]

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Message 8 of 42 (41203)
05-24-2003 4:14 AM
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05-24-2003 4:07 AM


Why do all these Christians who live in a democratic country percieve no problem at all with God coming down and eliminating two hundred years of steady political progress with a wave of his hand? We've been without kings for a while now (in any effective sense), and honestly, I don't want any more. The idea of a ruling monarch is simply old-fashioned. Jesus should get with the times and run for office like anybody else if he wants to be in charge so bad.
I'd need to see some qualifications for putting Jesus in charge. If his dad's been running the world these past thousands of years then I hope hands-off management doesn't run in the family. Heck I'd vote for the other guy simply based on how much god has let things go to seed.

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Peter
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Message 9 of 42 (42057)
06-04-2003 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog
05-24-2003 4:14 AM


Just out of curiosity, and in light or recent global
events, in what way do you thing monarchs are any different
to the systems of government in the US and the UK
at present?

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zephyr
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Message 10 of 42 (42071)
06-04-2003 10:43 AM
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06-04-2003 9:00 AM


Well, PATRIOT acts notwithstanding, the Bill of Rights is probably the biggest difference to me.

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Peter
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Message 11 of 42 (42078)
06-04-2003 11:43 AM
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06-04-2003 10:43 AM


Maybe I'm just cynical, but there is a huge difference
between things written into law and the way our leaders
behave ... and even King John had his magna carta
Yes, a president or prime minister is elected, but once in office
their powers are used in a manner not dissimilar to monarchs
of old. They do as they please in the interests of 'national
security' or 'the people' ... but seem to operate in a way
that mainly benefits themselves and their associates.
I could never bring myself to trust anyone who actively seeks
power. I agree with Frank Herbert on that ... 'power attracts
the corruptible'.

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zephyr
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Message 12 of 42 (42080)
06-04-2003 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Peter
06-04-2003 11:43 AM


quote:
Maybe I'm just cynical, but there is a huge difference
between things written into law and the way our leaders
behave ... and even King John had his magna carta
Yes, a president or prime minister is elected, but once in office
their powers are used in a manner not dissimilar to monarchs
of old. They do as they please in the interests of 'national
security' or 'the people' ... but seem to operate in a way
that mainly benefits themselves and their associates.
I could never bring myself to trust anyone who actively seeks
power. I agree with Frank Herbert on that ... 'power attracts
the corruptible'.
Right on. I agree 100% with you there.

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truthlover
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Message 13 of 42 (42101)
06-04-2003 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Peter
06-04-2003 11:43 AM


quote:
Yes, a president or prime minister is elected, but once in office their powers are used in a manner not dissimilar to monarchs
of old.
Maybe it's popular to be a cynic, but it seems to me that the system of checks and balances written into the constitution (the sharing of power among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches) has pretty effectively limited the power of the presidency and the Congress. It may not be perfect, but it's a heck of a lot better than the old monarchies, in my opinion.

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zephyr
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Message 14 of 42 (42117)
06-04-2003 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by truthlover
06-04-2003 5:29 PM


quote:
Maybe it's popular to be a cynic, but it seems to me that the system of checks and balances written into the constitution (the sharing of power among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches) has pretty effectively limited the power of the presidency and the Congress. It may not be perfect, but it's a heck of a lot better than the old monarchies, in my opinion.
Ideally, it's vastly better. But the executive branch has slowly been gaining power for decades, and many find this cause for concern. Throw in the erosion of individual rights that is the PATRIOT act, and it's no surprise that the conspiracy theorists have had a field day with 9-11. I just happened to reread an editorial from a few days later, predicting that some would propose ill-advised curtailments of rights in order to make things safe. I recall thinking at the time that reason would prevail.
Oops.
I also just read some more news about the Guantanamo Bay detention facility for all the foreigners we've taken in. They're building an execution chamber, among other things. None of those people are subject to the Geneva Convention or any laws giving them any rights whatsoever. We are publicly and shamelessly circumventing both our own law and international law in our treatment of prisoners. I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow, but it's a step toward the day when it happens to you or me.

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Message 15 of 42 (42119)
06-04-2003 11:09 PM


Things off-topic, if anyone cares
This is in the "Free for All" forum, so I'll let things run wherever they wish, but...
Might the current theme deserve a "Coffee House" or "Free for All" topic of its own?
Adminnemooseus

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