Who are you to doubt the creation account given by Moses?

Now this is posed to other Christians, who believe that the writings of Moses were metaphorical, and not literal accounts of events.(I don't see much point in discussing this with people who think they have falsified God's word) To these theistic evolutionists, and others who dance around the creation story, saying that it is not literal. This is what God says of Moses.... ------------------
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So, if I understand correctly, you're saying that one should take the bible as literally true and the evidence you offer is the bible? How convincing do you think that might be to the not already convinced?

I'm saying that the writings of Moses are not riddles or metaphors, and this is directed at Christians who believe that the creation account is metaphorical. If anyone knew what happened it was Moses, he was the only one God spoke to face to face.------------------
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What creation account given by Moses? You are begging the question of whether we know if Moses wrote a creation account at all.It seems to me highly unlikely that the Moses referred to in the Bible wrote the creation accounts in Genesis. The differences in style and substance throughout the so-called "books of Moses" would seem to undermine any claim to one author, and those passages which the Bible refers to as written down by Moses differ in style and tone very radically from the style and tone of the creation account.

Mister Pamboli,You may very well be correct in saying that Moses did not write the creation account in Genesis. However I believe that he did compile the book of Genesis from older writings, or possibly he did write the account as God instructed him to. I do not have a scriptural basis for either so I'm not asserting either to be the truth.From what I gather from the OT, it seems that the scriptures, as we know them began with Moses. God took Moses and spoke to him face to face giving him the law, I would think he would also have verified and/or corrected the historical accounts of Genesis.God is not a God of confusion, so I do not think that there is much to be read into the creation account, and that it should be taken at face value.I am not trying to say that I know the answers to all of this, I am looking to find the truth. I thank you for you response, I appreciate your knowledge in this area. I don't mind being corrected.------------------
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God is not a God of confusion, so I do not think that there is much to be read into the creation account, and that it should be taken at face value.

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it does sound as this is the key point for you, and as a position of faith it's fine.You are begging a lot of questions, perhaps not deliberately, not only whether Moses was an author, or a compiler, or a legendary figure, but whether in any of these cases the account given is simply "transcription" of a Divine message, or divinely inspired but literally true, or divinely inspired but not literally true etc.You will acknowledge perhaps, some difference in tone between your "looking to find the truth" and the somewhat more "in your face" title of this thread Who are you to doubt ...

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I'm saying that the writings of Moses are not riddles or metaphors, and this is directed at Christians who believe that the creation account is metaphorical. If anyone knew what happened it was Moses, he was the only one God spoke to face to face.

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God is not a God of confusion, so I do not think that there is much to be read into the creation account, and that it should be taken at face value.

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Those Christians may be trying to save the bible from you. If God does not confuse then the confusion between what we see when we read the earth and life on it and the account you want to defend has to be answered. We can't change what we see written in stone so we need to reexamine what we see writen in the bible. If you want the bible to be read literally then you want it to be wrong.

Sorry to be misleading, I was trying to attract attention to the topic and being blunt tends to get the best response around here. ------------------
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Yet more evidence of a vindictive biblical God. Does he really only make appearances to punish his children?Another rock in the foundation of my atheism. Thankyou.

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You may very well be correct in saying that Moses did not write the creation account in Genesis. However I believe that he did compile the book of Genesis from older writings, or possibly he did write the account as God instructed him to. I do not have a scriptural basis for either so I'm not asserting either to be the truth.

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Well, in fact you don't have any basis for this at all. Moses is the author of the Pentateuch in Jewish tradition. However, one of the features of this tradition is that writings are often attributed to a great figure of the past in order to give them authority.The internal evidence of Genesis is that it is a compilation of oral and possibly written sources; there is no reason to suppose the compiler was Moses, indeed, creating a compilation of this type would seem to me to be the sort of thing that goes on in a stable and settled environment, not during wanderings in the desert - this is where the tales might originate.

Who wrote 'numbers'?

or John 1:18 ?

I am a maxamilist when it comes to interpretations of the scripture, meaning that I try my best to take what is being said at face value, when something is literal it is literal, when something is metaphorical than that is how I take it, sometimes it is not so obvious when something needs to be taken in what way, but that is when prayer needs to be put forward with love(agape) and humbleness, it must also align with other scriptural support...As to the tone of the Genesis account and the other writings of Moses... would your quote of someone else not have a different tone? I have to agree with FunkMasterFreaky... Who are we to criticise Moses when God spoke to him so frankly and not in riddles, but plainly? NO kidding that Moses writings would fluctuate in tone, not only was he very intelligent but God was speaking to him and even at one point gave Moses his own writen account of the law, which all of us know that Moses broke them and had to rewrite them for 40 days and 40 nights....
Moses was no primitive man, his DNA would have been closer to the perfect than what we observe now...[This message has been edited by Jesuslover153, 04-10-2003]

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Moses was no primitive man, his DNA would have been closer to the perfect than what we observe now...

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So when we look at the DNA of very old bodies we will find it is "better" than now? How would you define "closer to perfect"?

I would define closer to perfect in human dna as being closer inline to Adam...
Concerning Moses I believe that he was the start to humanity as we see us today, but today we are a bit more off than he was, I believe this to be one of the major reasons why he recieved the laws given by God... today we know that there can be harmful effects from having multiple sex partners or having incestuous relations, even eating food has effect on our health and subsequently it can effect our dna even 4 to 5 generations down the line... environment and the way we interact with it has everything to do with the longevity of the human race...
when I read scriptures I am left with the impression that if it is not for Gods intervention not one of us humans would stand in the end time, by reason of our own foolishness. Certainly I am foolish.[This message has been edited by Jesuslover153, 04-10-2003]