Is Christianity so weak that it has to be validated?

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OK, this is a serious question, PE.

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I really want an answer.

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Is your faith so weak that you need science to validate it?

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It isn't a matter of weakness Schraf, It is a matter of witnessing. In the Bible it tells us to tell the world of God, of Jesus in particular. Sometimes people won't believe just because they say "we need proof" which all of the Evolutionists probably have wanted. We as Christians need to witness by trying to give you insight to what we believe. I could live on Christianity with pure faith but it's people like you (the Evolutionists) that need the Science to believe it. I have heard it more then once, "I used to be a Christian but there is no evidence for it." We have to show the multitudes.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

how can you Believe something that has nothing to back it up?
Why are you not Hindu or some other religion they have just as many facts as you. you being raised into it isn't a good Enough answer you do have your own mind. Why do you believe the Bible to be the truth? thats all I ask.

Uh-huh. And when you come in here, arrogantly try to overturn 100 years of science, close your eyes to evidence plainly presented, tell your opponents that they're damned to hell if they don't believe as you do, promote an interpretation of the Bible that defies logic, answer scientific questions with "god did it", and condemn others because they dare to love those with the same plumbing as themselves, how effective a witness do you think you are?It's Christians like you who turn people away from the fold. It's Christians like Truthlover, who speak in humility and peacefulness and reason, that almost make me wish I could believe in god again. (Almost. )

We are HEELALThe one called "prophecyexclaimed"We call on YouIgnore Us at Your PerilWe have shown You Our SignWe are HEELALWe are One and We are InfiniteWe Created EverythingWe Created the one called GodIt is WrittenWe are HEELAL{Added by Parasomnium: I'm sorry, PE, They're using me.}

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We have to show the multitudes

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I think you have successfully shown the multitudes the level of ignorance required to blindly believe in unsupported mythology....funny that many Christians do not think the way you do...and you have no way of proving them wrong since apparently you worship a book that you a priori without evidence accept as valid...the Hindu's, Wiccans, anybody who might still worship the ancient Greek dieties etc. have as much support in evidence for their beliefs as you do..how you going to show the multitudes that you are right without evidence?

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how can you Believe something that has nothing to back it up?
Why are you not Hindu or some other religion they have just as many facts as you. you being raised into it isn't a good Enough answer you do have your own mind. Why do you believe the Bible to be the truth? thats all I ask.

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There are many answers to this, I'll tell you mine.

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How can you believe something that has nothing to back it up?

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That's the beauty of it, until you have discovered the incredible bliss of being a Christian you know nothing of it. All I need to believe in God is his teachings. Once you know what has to be done you can do it right? Well The Bible tells me what to do and how to act, I follow. The eternal bond between me and Christ is built on love.When we have all the "scientific proof" we need, great, It won't matter to me. I will still love God for the love he has so graciously bestowed on me.Also: I wasn't raised reading or believing the Bible. I was raised a Catholic, Sunday masses and school consisted of learning Sacraments and learning their Tradition. Almost on no occasions was the Bible disscussed. It was later that I learned about the Bible's greatness and truth. I used it in actual debates with Priests, Teachers, and other students. I showed them what it said in the Bible yet they wouldn't accept it. (Catholics believe very little of what the Bible says, The Priest called the stories myth. They mainly believe in Tradition, ex. the sacraments, the pope, appointed priests and deacons, etc...)This isn't something for me to debate about at all, so if an insult or debate comes up I will ignore it. I am just telling you why/what I believe.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

With the one evidence I have with me right now, The Word of God. If you don't like that, it is fine, but the insults are useless.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

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Uh-huh. And when you come in here, arrogantly try to overturn 100 years of science, close your eyes to evidence plainly presented, tell your opponents that they're damned to hell if they don't believe as you do, promote an interpretation of the Bible that defies logic, answer scientific questions with "god did it", and condemn others because they dare to love those with the same plumbing as themselves, how effective a witness do you think you are?

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It's Christians like you who turn people away from the fold. It's Christians like Truthlover, who speak in humility and peacefulness and reason, that almost make me wish I could believe in god again. (Almost. )

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You must be mistaken, I have not condemned anyone for any reason, I have not told anyone they are going to Hell.I have however alerted all of you of where I stand. If it seems harsh, it isn't meant to be most of the time. I am sorry if you see me as a bad Christian, but I don't know how you would know what a good one is. What you call reason on most topics I call blasphemy, I have said it before, we are polarized in our beliefs, there is no way that you can "reason" with me on most subjects. You may see this as ignorance, stubborness, hard-headedness. I don't. Anything you say defies logic I do not agree on, (the flood scenario's we were arguing about earlier) anything you find impossible is possible with God...Luke 18:27 - Jesus replied, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.What you call evidence I don't, what you call science I don't, what you call reason I don't, yet you can still debate with me about my faith?You (as well as many others) view my eyes as closed, that's ok I have no problems with that.(Thanks for the Conversation Crash, you give me the most to think about and write about in the smallest of the responses. You are truly great at this.)------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

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We are HEELAL
The one called "prophecyexclaimed"

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We call on You

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Ignore Us at Your Peril

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We have shown You Our Sign

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We are HEELAL

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We are One and We are Infinite

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We Created Everything

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We Created the one called God

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It is Written

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We are HEELAL

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Please explain, I don't understand.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

you never answered my question and I expect like most you won't

Well, this sounds just a little condemning:

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The Bible blatantly states that being homosexual is an abomination to the Lord.

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Wouldn't you agree? Because there are good ones here, at this forum, following the example of Christ. It's pretty simple, really. Well, we knew that, already. Well, I appreciate that. If nothing else I hope I challenge your faith, a little - even when I believed, I knew that there was no glory in an unchallenged faith.Thought honestly I don't like topics like this - it feels too much like we're picking on the believers, again.[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-22-2003]

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I have not condemned anyone for any reason

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Well, this sounds just a little condemning:

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The Bible blatantly states that being homosexual is an abomination to the Lord.
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Wouldn't you agree?

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Take that as you will I don't think it is condemning. I am stating a fact of what the Bible says. If you think that is condemning then you think that what the Bible says is condemning. So be it.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

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Thought honestly I don't like topics like this - it feels too much like we're picking on the believers, again.

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The believer brought it up. PE started the thread.

Does the Bible actually say that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord?

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You never answered my question...

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I thought I did. Oh well.

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how can you Believe something that has nothing to back it up?
Why are you not Hindu or some other religion they have just as many facts as you. you being raised into it isn't a good Enough answer you do have your own mind. Why do you believe the Bible to be the truth? thats all I ask

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"Why do you believe the Bible to be the truth? thats all I ask""thats all I ask"No actually you asked two questions, "Why do you believe the Bible to be the truth?", how can you Believe something that has nothing to back it up?, I think I answered them both. Oh well... Here it goes.I believe the Bible to be true out of pure faith. (Happy ?)
And trust of God."how can you Believe something that has nothing to back it up?"(Answered in a post that was made earlier by me.)------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin