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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 1 of 225 (21835)
11-08-2002 12:56 AM


As i have started to look through some of the topics and conversations going on i am saddened greatly by the way i see God's word talked about. I am curious to know what makes so many of you so strongly believe the bible to be a fairytale, not to be believed?
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Karl
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Message 2 of 225 (21839)
11-08-2002 3:09 AM


You make an interesting leap here.
For example, I don't consider Genesis 1-11 to be literal history. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a fairy tale, and I certainly don't hate God!
Others here would call it a fairy tale, but still don't hate God. They might not believe He exists, they might be ambivalent.
A few might hate God, but I've not heard any of them say it as far as I can recall.
Care to clarify who you mean? Who you think hates God, and why?

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John
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Message 3 of 225 (21855)
11-08-2002 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by funkmasterfreaky
11-08-2002 12:56 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
As i have started to look through some of the topics and conversations going on i am saddened greatly by the way i see God's word talked about. I am curious to know what makes so many of you so strongly believe the bible to be a fairytale, not to be believed?

Some one said, I wish I could remember who, that if you show me why you do not believe in foreign gods, I will show you why I do not believe in yours.
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Primordial Egg
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Message 4 of 225 (21858)
11-08-2002 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by John
11-08-2002 7:59 AM


I think it was more like "If you can understand why you don't believe in two gods, you'll understand why I don't believe in one. we are both athiests - I just believe in one less God than you"
...or words to that effect

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mark24
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Message 5 of 225 (21861)
11-08-2002 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by funkmasterfreaky
11-08-2002 12:56 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
As i have started to look through some of the topics and conversations going on i am saddened greatly by the way i see God's word talked about. I am curious to know what makes so many of you so strongly believe the bible to be a fairytale, not to be believed?

Funk,
There's a HUGE difference between believing the bible to be a book of fairy tales & HATING god, wouldn't you say? How is it possible to hate something you don't accept exists?
Mark
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John
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Message 6 of 225 (21880)
11-08-2002 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Primordial Egg
11-08-2002 8:06 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Primordial Egg:
I think it was more like "If you can understand why you don't believe in two gods, you'll understand why I don't believe in one. we are both athiests - I just believe in one less God than you"
...or words to that effect

Right, that's the one. Any idea who it was?
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Chara
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Message 7 of 225 (21885)
11-08-2002 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Karl
11-08-2002 3:09 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Karl:
[B]You make an interesting leap here.
For example, I don't consider Genesis 1-11 to be literal history. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a fairy tale, and I certainly don't hate God!
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If you don't call this passage of Scripture a fairy tale, or literal history, what is your view?

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 8 of 225 (21886)
11-08-2002 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by John
11-08-2002 7:59 AM


I don't mean this in a pompous way, but have you read the new testament? Unfortunately mans words are not the way to prove that God exists only God can prove that he exists. Usually he will speak through his word which is the Bible. Otherwise he speaks through the lives of those who serve him. I believe God is almighty therefore i don't feel i have to defend his existence for him. He is quite capable of doing that himself. I know he's real because he comforts me in hard time, when i pray he answers, he speaks to me through his written word, and he has drastically changed my life. Unfortunately how do i prove that to you? God states over and over through the bible that he is the only God. Which is why i do not believe in foreign gods. Again unfortunately if you don't believe the bible is the word of God it's hard to prove. I wish i could do like Elijah and have a contest like they did in 1kings unfortunately i am not to test my God. Maybe try reading the story of elijah. God told Elijah to tell Ahab it wouldn't rain in that region until Elijah said it would and left for 3 years .. maybe read then from 1 kings 18. the whole chapter. There is a place where God has proven to his people that he is the one and only God. I will think some more on this. Maybe the Lord can show me how to convince you as he used Elijah to convince Isreal.
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Chara
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Message 9 of 225 (21887)
11-08-2002 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by mark24
11-08-2002 8:12 AM


Funk,
There's a HUGE difference between believing the bible to be a book of fairy tales & HATING god, wouldn't you say? How is it possible to hate something you don't accept exists?
Mark
[/B][/QUOTE]
Mark,
A hypothetical question if I may: If I chose to believe that you do not exist, even though I was your child, what would be your response?
[This message has been edited by Chara, 11-08-2002]

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Mister Pamboli
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From: Washington, USA
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Message 10 of 225 (21890)
11-08-2002 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Chara
11-08-2002 3:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Chara:
If I chose to believe that you do not exist, even though I was your child, what would be your response?
I would punish you with "everlasting punishment", "in flaming fire taking vengeance" for your unbelief. Seems only fair, to me. Damned ungrateful kids!

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John
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Message 11 of 225 (21891)
11-08-2002 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by funkmasterfreaky
11-08-2002 3:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
I don't mean this in a pompous way, but have you read the new testament?
Yes. Several times.
quote:
Unfortunately mans words are not the way to prove that God exists
Now that we've got that straight, you won't be appealing to the Bible anymore.
quote:
only God can prove that he exists.
Yes, you are correct. Were God an actual being he could certainly prove his existence to us, yet he hasn't.
quote:
Usually he will speak through his word which is the Bible.
The Bible was written by men. I thought that man's words were not the way to prove the existence of God?
If you have some evidence that men did not write the Bible please present it.
quote:
Otherwise he speaks through the lives of those who serve him.
Wow.... scary.... Have you read the Old Testament?
[quote]I believe God is almighty therefore i don't feel i have to defend his existence for him.[/b][/quote]
Yet here you are. Why?
quote:
He is quite capable of doing that himself.
But thus far hasn't.
quote:
I know he's real because he comforts me in hard time, when i pray he answers, he speaks to me through his written word, and he has drastically changed my life.
How do you respond to those who claim such comfort and guidance from other gods? If the argument works for you, it also works for all those other gods, and you can't all be right. Your proposition is therefore self contradictory and logically invalid.
quote:
Unfortunately how do i prove that to you?
Prove that you feel comforted and that you feel that God talks to you? I believe that part, but it isn't an arguent for the existence of God.
quote:
God states over and over through the bible that he is the only God.
Here we go again appealing to man's words.
quote:
Which is why i do not believe in foreign gods.
Consider: If I wrote a book and in it claimed that the book was REALLY written by God, would you accept it as such? Nope, not a chance. But you do not apply the same rationality to the Bible.
Do you accept the Koran? The Book of Mormon? Doubtful... yet both of these books claim divine inspiration.
quote:
Again unfortunately if you don't believe the bible is the word of God it's hard to prove.
And if you do believe the bible is the word of God it isn't proof. It is an assuption. Any use of that assumption in subsequent arguments constitutes circular reasoning and is invalid.
quote:
I wish i could do like Elijah and have a contest like they did in 1kings unfortunately i am not to test my God.
Terribly convenient isn't it?
quote:
Maybe try reading the story of elijah. God told Elijah to tell Ahab it wouldn't rain in that region until Elijah said it would and left for 3 years .. maybe read then from 1 kings 18. the whole chapter. There is a place where God has proven to his people that he is the one and only God.
Its a story. It is a fable. Do you believe everything you read?
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mark24
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Posts: 3857
From: UK
Joined: 12-01-2001


Message 12 of 225 (21894)
11-08-2002 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Chara
11-08-2002 3:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Chara:
Mark,
A hypothetical question if I may: If I chose to believe that you do not exist, even though I was your child, what would be your response?
[This message has been edited by Chara, 11-08-2002]

Chara,
I would be pretty safe from questioning social workers, wouldn't I? When it came to explaining your bruises.
Mark
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 11-08-2002]

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Chara
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Message 13 of 225 (21898)
11-08-2002 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by mark24
11-08-2002 4:47 PM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
quote:
Originally posted by Chara:
Mark,
A hypothetical question if I may: If I chose to believe that you do not exist, even though I was your child, what would be your response?
[This message has been edited by Chara, 11-08-2002]

Chara,
I would be pretty safe from questioning social workers, wouldn't I? When it came to explaining your bruises.
Mark

Forgive me, but I do not understand your response. Can you please explain what you meant?

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 14 of 225 (21908)
11-08-2002 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by John
11-08-2002 4:07 PM


for 1 yes the bible is written by men. dictated by God. no i do not believe everything i read i only believe the Word of God. yes i have read the old testament. i love the old testament. what about it don't you like?
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 15 of 225 (21910)
11-08-2002 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by mark24
11-08-2002 4:47 PM


Occam's razor i get a kick out of that. from what i know of that it means the simplest answer tends to be correct. so it doesn't get anymore simple than all the answers in one book. creation written simply in a handful of sentences. existance explained! simplest answer
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