Faithful

God is faithful in everything he says , personally i confess that God has indeed fullfilled all he said in me. on one occasion he said exactly what would happen and its amazing if you do just go on what he has said to you, and have faith no matter how unlikely what he said is, he always is true to his word.Anyone else experienced this, if you havent it's a shame but if you have you can write here as i am interested to hear.

When I was a Christian I never had a prayer answered with anything that wasn't going to happen anyway. Certainly God never intervened in my own personal growth.I can only conclude that God never did anything for me. Or, more reasonably, God doesn't exist.

So how do you explain creation? When you look at your favourite car for example and you see how wonderful all the parts have been put together, do you conclude that it got that way on its own or do you believe someone designed it and put it together? I would say you would believe someone designed it right? You come to this conclusion even though you have not seen who designed it. So when you stand on the most beautiful beach, you see the golden sand, the blue crystal clear water, the blue sky with an aray of pure white clouds and the sun shines in your face, you say to yourself this is so beautiful but yet because you cannot see God, you conclude that it all just happend by chance. Oh well tell me what is the difference?

quote:

---

So how do you explain creation? When you look at your favourite car for example and you see how wonderful all the parts have been put together, do you conclude that it got that way on its own or do you believe someone designed it and put it together? I would say you would believe someone designed it right? You come to this conclusion even though you have not seen who designed it. So when you stand on the most beautiful beach, you see the golden sand, the blue crystal clear water, the blue sky with an aray of pure white clouds and the sun shines in your face, you say to yourself this is so beautiful but yet because you cannot see God, you conclude that it all just happend by chance. Oh well tell me what is the difference?

---

However, I could see the design manual for the car. In it would be the parts list and probably every single step in it's construction. I could meet the designers in person if I tried hard enough, or at least take a factory tour and view how my car is constructed.In addition, it is common knowledge that cars are human artifacts, so it is actually previous knowledge that leads me to the conclusion that someone designed it.I can know, then, an awful lot about by whom, how, where, when, and why my car was constructed. We know not one bit of this WRT God having anything to do with Creation.Coulda been. No evidence that it was. No reason to think so.

What, you mean life? Or the universe?If you mean life, then I explain it with the theory of evolution. (What did you expect?) There's no way I would look at the human body and conclude that it was designed as well as a car, if it was designed at all. If it wasn't designed, I would expect it to work just well enough to reproduce, which - surprise! - is exactly how well it works. Between what and what? Between faith and naturalism? Between a desire to explain things in terms of processes that can be observed vs. a deep personal need to not be alone in the universe - to be watched over by an all-powerful sky-parent?I don't need to be watched over. I really don't want to be.Honestly I just don't see your point. Tell me - what method do you use to reject all over gods? Why don't you believe in Shiva and Allah and Set and all the others?When you understand why you reject those other gods, you'll know why I reject yours.

Well you reject the God I believe just as much as you reject there's (Budah, allah etc). The argument here is not who's God is true the argument is does God exist. You used the example of the human body and all its complexities, far more than a car I might add. But yet everytime you look at a car you say some body designed it. But yet If I claimed that the car just drooped from the sky you would not believe me, would you? Explain how a human body so complexed with it's design does not need a designer? And please don't say evolution as a scape goat, you dont believe we all used to be fish millions of years ago do you? But wait how about the Nabrska man? No transitional fossils found yet, not one in full. Why not because there are none. We have a world population of about 7 billion people but yet we can't even find 1 full transitional fossil from ape to man.

Sure. A bunch of individual religions take the position that each other's gods don't exist. I take the position that they're all correct - there aren't any gods at all. Complexity is not generally considered a trait of good design. Ask a designer. Simple solutions are preferred. Sure, because I can go to a factory and see how cars are designed and made. The process of human design is one I can observe.But I've never seen a god make a person - I've never seen a god do anything. Why then should I accept the proposition that god made humans?Anyway there's ample evidence that things can arise through processes besides design. So there's just no need to say "god did it" in terms of the human body, or any other. I'm not scapegoating evolution, I'm offering it as an explanation. As it turns out, all humans are decended from life that used to live in oceans. I guess you could call it "fish-like". Why is that so unusual to believe? Did you know your blood has roughly the same salinity as seawater? (If SeaQuest DSV is to be believed.) What about it? It's a hoax, perpretated by sham science, and revealed as such by evolutionist paleontologists (I bet Kent Hovind didn't tell you who uncovered hoaxes like Piltdown Man or Nebraska Man, or that they didn't fool too many scientists at the time, either). So what?When a televangelist faith healer is exposed as a fraud do you take that as evidence against God? No? Then why the double standard? I'm not sure what you mean by "in full". But let me ask you this - do you have to have every last bit of the jigsaw puzzle before you know what the picture is? I doubt it. And we have a number of complete or very nearly complete skeletons of a vast array of ancient species.Quite frankly the fossil record is littered with "transitional forms", by which we mean the ancestors of modern species. That includes humans. The transitional fossils are there. Haven't you heard of Homo Hablis? Australopithicus? Who told you we don't have transitional fossils? Kent Hovind? Humans are apes, btw.[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 07-09-2003]

quote:

---

everytime you look at a car you say some body designed it.

---

Sure do. Of course, the car designer had the common sense to not run away and hide once he was finished, and cover up all evidence of his process.

quote:

---

But yet If I claimed that the car just drooped from the sky you would not believe me, would you?

---

No. No I wouldn't.That's one of my many problems with creationism. It claims we blinked into existence as fully developed humans, exactly as we are now... like a car dropping from the sky, in a world that never even invented the wheel.------------------
-----------
Dan Carroll

this topic i put in the faith and belief section that anyone who believed in God and experienced him may comment , i know this is a creation versus evolution sight but really i was looking for people with faith to comment on their own experience.Crash says he has not experienced God , he is the only one who has at least tried to answer the question,however is there any here with faith in God?

I have decided to speciate from humanity. By refusing to interbreed and continuing my line through cloning I have effectively placed myself in a different linage to Homo sapiens, I think I will call my species Homo individualis. The downside of this is god doesn’t talk to me. In fact I believe I have been abandoned rather like other primates were at their split. So when I die I will just die and at least avoid hell. I am thinking of creating a league of primates cheated by linage against eternity. We will attempt to lobby the great sky man into taking us back in. my dog wants to come too, at least his tail wag suggests this.

Well MIke the Wiz I difinately have faith in God. And I would like to add that the things of God seem foolishness to those who don't believe. So I guess until one experiences God for themselves they will actually not have faith in Him.Does anybody believe in the middle ages, world war 1, the wind?
Oh well I dont because I was not there and I have never seen the wind.
Oh no wait a minute I do I have evidence of these things so I believe in them. But sorry I wont believe in God because I cannot see him and better yet the earth does not show his wonderful hand, or does it? And to the one who said design does not need a designer, then what does it need?

quote:

---

But sorry I wont believe in God because I cannot see him and better yet the earth does not show his wonderful hand, or does it?

---

No.

quote:

---

And to the one who said design does not need a designer, then what does it need?

---

What design? One use of the word implies a designer. Another use simply means recognizable pattern. Don't equivocate.------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com

Souljah 1 , thanks , i agree with you people do not believe what they can't see and they disregard our experiences as chance .'But sorry I wont believe in God because I cannot see him and better yet the earth does not show his wonderful hand, or does it?'it shows the incredible beauty of God , just look at the sunset.

Autocatalysis , (i wish they could pick simple names to spell lol)
hi there i enyoyed your wit , but have you ever prayed for God's influence,he isn't just a thing in the sky waitin to damn you he's just the opposite you will find!

Beauty is a human abstraction.There is a very serious undertone to my comments. We live in a world where absurdity can quickly become reality. My point was to highlight the effect of paradigm of inquiry upon our ability to deal with this.Yes, I am constantly in wonder of the majesty of the natural world and to know that I am a product of this wonder is sheer bliss.