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Author Topic:   Information Theory webcast from Dr Werner Gitt
jcgirl92
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Message 1 of 4 (52921)
08-29-2003 9:32 PM


Don't know what you guys are going to do with this stuff, particularly seeing as this guy is a...Creationist!!! Just thought that I would stick it on here, and if any of you guys are open-minded enough to go and have a listen, here it is.
BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages.: Cgi-bin

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PaulK
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Message 2 of 4 (52949)
08-30-2003 6:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jcgirl92
08-29-2003 9:32 PM


I'm not set up to listen to the file, but I have run into Gitt's "information theory" before.
Two points.
1)Information Theory does not deal with meaning - and intentionally so. Meaning is not amenable to the mathematical analysis used.
2) Gitt uses hisown idea of information which does include meaning in the full-blown sense of intentional communication by an intelligence (thus for instance the various protocols underlying use of the internet involve very little information in Gitt's sense - unlike in standard information theory. For instance a signal saying that a packet failed to arrive intact would have no information at all in Gitt's sense since no intelligence is even aware of it).
The biggest problem is Gitt's assertion that DNA contains information in his sense. As I pointed out in an earlier discussion, Gitt's information has properties that DNA lacks :
Message 110 Gitt's assertion seems to be based on other people's statements - but they were not using Gitt's ideas of information. Gitt's argument therefore is an equivocation, and we are left with no reason to conclude that his "Information Theory" has any relevance to evolution.

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AdminBrian
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Message 3 of 4 (52950)
08-30-2003 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jcgirl92
08-29-2003 9:32 PM


Hi JCgirl92,
Could I just remind you that:
Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided.
Perhaps you would like to take a few minutes to summarise the link that you provided?
Posting a link with no supporting discussion means that readers will not know exactly what point(s) you think are important.
Also, by posting a bare link you open up the possiblity of someone answering your claims with a bare link of their own, and we end up with very little discusssion at all.
So, if you could, would you summarise what you would like to discuss from this link, and give an explanation to us non-scientific types of what exactly you are getting at?
Thanks.
AdminBrian.
{An added note from Adminnemooseus - I personally don't see any great problem with this "Bare link with no supporting discussion". It seems to be more of a "throw out some general information" type of a message. Still, a little verbal summary would be nice for us unable to download and/or unable to take the time types.
Perhaps this topic would have been better placed in the "Links and Information", "Miscellaneous Topics", or "Is It Science?" forum, but I'm not qoing to worry about it right now. If and when the topic develops further, maybe a move will be made.}
[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 08-30-2003]

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Message 4 of 4 (52986)
08-30-2003 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jcgirl92
08-29-2003 9:32 PM


{cheap shot}I thought "git" was spelled with only one T.{/cheap shot}

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