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mike the wiz
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Message 1 of 65 (42368)
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


hi everyone ,i'm new here , hope you remember me.
I have noticed lately that people have been preaching the badd news and not the good.i guess i am not catholic iam not protestant and i do not attend church, and lately the way people have described christians i am not one of them either . I am a follower of Christ ,that is all,however i have noticed believers pointing the finger and promoting hell rather than heaven.This probably leads to evolutionists calling names like 'bigoted' 'fantasist' and so on.so i'd like to qoute from the new testament.
'For God sent not his son into the world to condemn it,but that the world through him might be saved' so my message to evo's is that you can be saved and are saved aswell as believers so do not listen to threats of hell.each of us is worth the same! church and hell has nothing to do with it, ofcourse thats just my opinion.
i do have a question though , do any evos here believe in God?

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nator
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Message 2 of 65 (42377)
06-08-2003 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


I know that the founder of this board is an "Evo" and also believes, and there are at least several others as well.
I know that Gene90 is a Mormon and an Evo. Andya is a Muslim and an Evo.
Most people I have ever known believe in a god or gods of some kind and also accept science fully. It is actually a very tiny minority of the world's population (who have access to science education) to reject science in favor of (forgive me) superstition.
IOW, most people's concept of God or gods is not limited to a literal reading of a single book.

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Karl
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Message 3 of 65 (42406)
06-09-2003 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


You can add me to the list. I discovered this strange phenomenon of creationism long after my conversion and have found it pretty darned wierd most of the time since.

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Peter
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Message 4 of 65 (42417)
06-09-2003 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


I am sure that there are many who do.
Acceptance of evolution does not, after all, require the
rejection of God (or gods for that matter).

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Dan Carroll
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Message 5 of 65 (42437)
06-09-2003 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


Hey, Mike! You registered! Let's get fightin' again!
As for belief in God. I used to. Don't anymore. Even when I did, it was in a general creation force, not in a man with a long white beard, anything comparable to the Judeo-Christian GOD, or really anything we could comprehend.
There was no personal tragedy that blunted my faith, or anything like that. I just realized that the only reason I believed in God was that I had been taught to do so. The society I live in works from the assumption that there is a God, and that belief gets passed on as an obvious fact, even if it's never vocalized as such. (Although it often is.)
When I began thinking about the world without working from any preassumed assumptions, I was unable to arrive at the existence of God on my own. Not because of the suffering of the world, or any other argument against God. Just because I don't see anything to support the idea. On top of that, why argue against the idea if the idea hasn't even been defined? What exactly is this "God" thing people keep referring to, anyway?
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IrishRockhound
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Message 6 of 65 (42439)
06-09-2003 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


Um...
I don't really like the term 'evo'. I think I said before that I think evolution is a perfectly good, working theory - but if something more appropriate came alone, I'd drop it immediately.
But that's beside the point.
Provisionally, I think people might call me a believer. However, what I believe bears no similarity to that of anyone I've ever met. I certainly don't think I'm going to be 'saved' or otherwise, because I have no Christian beliefs. All that matters is that my scientific background does not conflict with my faith in any way - and how many people are that lucky?
The Rock Hound
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"Science constantly poses questions, where religion can only shout about answers."

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roxrkool
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Message 7 of 65 (42442)
06-09-2003 1:09 PM


I also used to be Christian and like Dan Carroll, I realized that I only did so because I was taught to do so... because it was expected.
I guess in my case, believing in an omnipotent being never made sense to me, either. What really turned me, however, was the belief that those who were not Christian would go do hell. My father is a Buddhist as well as a wonderful father and person. I could not fathom the idea of any loving God condemning my father to Hell because he was not Christian. Never mind the rest of the world who did not believe.

  
roxrkool
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Message 8 of 65 (42443)
06-09-2003 1:11 PM


off topic
O/T
Rockhound,
I'm intrigued. Would you be willing to share your beliefs in another thread? My beliefs are also a bit strange, so I'm curious.

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Gzus
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Message 9 of 65 (42445)
06-09-2003 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


I actually condone the idea of christianity without the concept of hell. Damnation is the only real problem that i have with christianity, i think that the fire and brimstone message is a prime example of 'bad religion'. Hell-free christianity is a very happy and fulfilling system of belief, it doesn't try to judge others, it only tries to bring happiness.

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mike the wiz
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Message 10 of 65 (42448)
06-09-2003 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dan Carroll
06-09-2003 12:13 PM


'Hey, Mike! You registered! Let's get fightin' again! '
hi Dan, good to hear my sparring partner is still hangin' around ,by the way i was never brainwashed or anything like that, i am not religious really , it just makes sense to me i guess.however i am against people who think by wearing a collar they are somehow more righteouss than the rest of us.and point the finger saying 'your going to hell'.

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crashfrog
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Message 11 of 65 (42451)
06-09-2003 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Gzus
06-09-2003 1:16 PM


Hell-free christianity is a very happy and fulfilling system of belief, it doesn't try to judge others, it only tries to bring happiness.
But so does atheism. If the well-being of persons is your goal, as it is mine, then why bother with god and stuff?
Not really a question directed at you, just an insight into my own beliefs.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 12 of 65 (42453)
06-09-2003 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by mike the wiz
06-09-2003 2:12 PM


quote:
hi Dan, good to hear my sparring partner is still hangin' around ,by the way i was never brainwashed or anything like that, i am not religious really , it just makes sense to me i guess.however i am against people who think by wearing a collar they are somehow more righteouss than the rest of us.and point the finger saying 'your going to hell'.
Well... I agree with you on the finger pointing. No matter one's beliefs, there's never any call to be a jerk about them.
But brainwashing isn't exactly the idea I was going for... there was never a person who tied me up, spun a spiral pattern in front of my eyes, and programmed to me to drop to my knees and pray when I see the queen of hearts.
It's more... how can I put this? Our culture works from the basic assumption that Germany exists. I have never been to Germany. But I have seen pictures of Germany, I have met people who have been to Germany, and I have been to other cultures which corraborate Germany's existence.
Perhaps most importantly, anyone telling me of a place called Germany can pull out a map, point to it, explain what Germany is, and where it is located. If I want, I can go there and check for myself.
The idea of Germany can be presented, and backed up.
But it would probably not occur to me to question whether or not Germany is there even if I had never seen pictures, spoken to people who had been there, etc. I've heard of this place countless times since my birth, and have always worked under the assumption that it exists. Why would it even occur to me to question it?
God was much the same way. I lived from birth in a culture that worked from the assumption that something called "God" exists. And it wasn't something I ever really bothered to question.
When I did, the God idea didn't hold up.
I'm sorry if this is a little convoluted. ("What's he babbling about Germany for?") It's a hard idea to express.
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truthlover
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Posts: 1548
From: Selmer, TN
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Message 13 of 65 (42459)
06-09-2003 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
06-08-2003 8:23 PM


quote:
do any evos here believe in God
Since I believed in God first, I don't know that I constitute an evo who believes in God or a believer who thinks evolution is true.
Either way, I believe, I love my God, and I think evolution is one of the neatest things I have ever gotten to study. The evolution of life is complicated and impressive--very impressive, but I love the evolution of stars more. If I was looking for "design," I'd choose the stars as my favorite evidence. (That's not a debate offer; I concede in advance that there is no "proof" of design in the stars.)
Oh, and I think the Scriptures are "in-spired" (breathed into) by God, and I still believe in evolution.

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mike the wiz
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From: u.k
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Message 14 of 65 (42465)
06-09-2003 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dan Carroll
06-09-2003 2:59 PM


'I'm sorry if this is a little convoluted. ("What's he babbling about Germany for?") It's a hard idea to express.'
no its o.k i know what your trying to say.its a bit opposite with me though.i only ever heard that God was a fairytale but things i were reading from the new testament and things happening personally (small things but nevertheless spooky) convinced me . In a way i kind of always known - if i can put it like that, that he exists,asking him in full belief i have always got answers.i know thats not relevant to you and that in itself is not proof to you but that is how it happened with me neverthe less.
also the meaning of life (though its a human problem)must be God ,for me anyway.its not just a scientific requirement its a fundamental question.

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nator
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Message 15 of 65 (42503)
06-10-2003 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Gzus
06-09-2003 1:16 PM


quote:
I actually condone the idea of christianity without the concept of hell. Damnation is the only real problem that i have with christianity, i think that the fire and brimstone message is a prime example of 'bad religion'. Hell-free christianity is a very happy and fulfilling system of belief, it doesn't try to judge others, it only tries to bring happiness.
As a woman, I'm not too fond of the male-superiority that Christianity promotes.

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