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garyl43
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Message 1 of 438 (443710)
12-26-2007 2:09 PM


Just wanted to give a heads up about an upcoming movie release that examines the battle between science and religion in higher education.
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/home.php

I think it'll be a "must see" for anyone interested in the science vs religion in education debate.

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Message 2 of 438 (443718)
12-26-2007 2:52 PM
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12-26-2007 2:09 PM


Should be good for a laugh.
Ben Stein can be pretty funny and this parody looks to be one of his best.


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Message 3 of 438 (443721)
12-26-2007 3:14 PM
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12-26-2007 2:09 PM


It's been talked about for a while on the internet, but it's been hard to get any information.

I finally thought of looking it up on Wikipedia.

Whether it'll be a "must see" is a good question.


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Clearly, he had his own strange way of judging things. I suspect that he acquired it from the Gospels. -- Victor Hugo
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Message 4 of 438 (443743)
12-26-2007 5:01 PM
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12-26-2007 3:14 PM


Just watch this trailer, it contains all the information you need:

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/playgroundvideo3.swf

Scary, scary stuff. Hard to believe that Ben Stein is a creationist and a conspiracy-monger to boot!

--Percy


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Message 5 of 438 (443749)
12-26-2007 5:05 PM


Page of Trailers for Expelled
See http://www.expelledthemovie.com/video.php

--Percy


  
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Message 6 of 438 (443761)
12-26-2007 5:37 PM
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12-26-2007 5:01 PM


Appalling
Never been a fan of Stein's, but this is a new low. This is right out of the DI handbook on how to look like a censored scientist. Right in the beginning he tells that fabrication about the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. This is going to cause so much damage.


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Message 7 of 438 (443818)
12-26-2007 9:04 PM


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Message 8 of 438 (443820)
12-26-2007 9:13 PM
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12-26-2007 5:01 PM


Making the claim for him
Scary, scary stuff. Hard to believe that Ben Stein is a creationist and a conspiracy-monger to boot!

Why is that scary? What is scary is you calling him a conspiracy-monger because he has doubts about Darwinism. That's scary. He also may not be a creationist. He may be only an ID'ist like me.

You've practically embodied his entire argument in two sentences.

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Message 9 of 438 (443821)
12-26-2007 9:25 PM
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12-26-2007 2:52 PM


Re: Should be good for a laugh.
jar

You have to admire the freudian irony of having a comedian champion the science behind creationism. :rolleyes:


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Message 10 of 438 (443823)
12-26-2007 9:35 PM
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Re: Should be good for a laugh.
Yup, and not even a really good comedian.

The one big things going for the ID and Creationism folk is that they stay in a setting where there is no need to tell the truth or even support their allegations. It is an environment made for a spokesperson like Stein.


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Message 11 of 438 (443825)
12-26-2007 9:57 PM
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12-26-2007 2:52 PM


Re: Should be good for a laugh.
Jar, could you give us the reason why you think it's a parody? I watched it twice. Couldn't tell.


Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!
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Message 12 of 438 (443827)
12-26-2007 10:05 PM
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12-26-2007 9:57 PM


Re: Should be good for a laugh.
I don't think it was meant to be a parody, or that the folk watching it will see it as a parody.

But stop and think about it.

It is an infomercial posing as a documentary asserting that it is about science but containing nothing but unsupported non-science insinuations and innuendo presented by a second rate comedian.

What else can it be called but a parody.


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Message 13 of 438 (443842)
12-27-2007 12:01 AM
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Re: Should be good for a laugh.
jar writes:

It is an infomercial posing as a documentary asserting that it is about science but containing nothing but unsupported non-science insinuations and innuendo presented by a second rate comedian.


And just how many people in the general public will be able to tell the difference between real science and bullshit?
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Message 14 of 438 (443844)
12-27-2007 12:40 AM
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12-26-2007 5:37 PM


Re: Appalling
The creos can't do science and they can't win in court. They can only grandstand now.

And grandstanding isn't what it used to be. No one gets a platform to himself in an Internet age.

This is going to cause so much damage.

This thing will be torn apart on YouTube.


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Message 15 of 438 (443858)
12-27-2007 4:45 AM


Excerpts from a review
Dan Whipple:

quote:
[Y]ou'll stay awake through the one-hour-and-forty-five-minute film "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" - if you can manage it -- without ever hearing...any...definition of intelligent design...

"Expelled" trots out several martyrs to the Darwinist inquisition. The poster boy is Richard Sternberg, whom the movie says was ousted from his position at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, and from his editorship of the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington when he published in that publication a peer-reviewed article of scientific evidence that supports intelligent design...

The allegations made in "Expelled" are wrong. Sternberg never worked for the Smithsonian, so the Smithsonian couldn't threaten his job there. He was a visiting scholar with research privileges, assigned an office. He still has both the office and the research privileges. He wasn't deprived of his editorship. His term as editor had expired so he was stepping down anyway in favor of another editor when the controversial ID article was published.

In short, contrary to the assertions in "Expelled," Sternberg suffered no harm whatever from the dustup...There are three or four other cases explored in "Expelled," all of which are presented in black-and-white terms as anti-ID intellectual repression by a Darwinist cabal...

After a half hour or so, "Expelled" wanders off to blame the theory of evolution for Communism, the Berlin Wall, Fascism, the Holocaust, atheism and Planned Parenthood...

The confusion about the definition of ID is apparent throughout the movie. "Expelled" ridicules a hypothesis proposed some years ago called "panspermia." This conjecture - for which, I hasten to add, there is zero direct evidence (just like ID) -- is that life on earth was originated elsewhere in the galaxy and was planted here, either delivered by alien visitors or remotely somehow. "Expelled," and the audience I saw it with, found this idea laugh-out-loud funny. But think about it. This is exactly ID's hypothesis: Some superintelligence planted life on earth. IDers prefer that the "intelligence" be the God of Abraham, but there's nothing in the hypothesis to rule out visitors from another galaxy.


Nothing really new there. They trot out the tired worn out classics. The Sternberg part sounds like they engage in blatant dishonesty - and they have definitely been corrected enough times to make it dishonesty. They undermine their 'secular' image by ridiculing the only secular ID concept proposed - Aliens did it.

The fact that they lied to get various interviews and other examples of dishonesty means that I won't be paying money towards the movie - if it even gets 'released' here.

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