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jar
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Message 1 of 38 (219133)
06-23-2005 8:45 PM


and not one calling for more repression.
Christian Alliance for Progress
Please take a look if you'd like to try to take Christianity back from the Christian Right.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 2 of 38 (219181)
06-23-2005 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
06-23-2005 8:45 PM


thanks
Christianity needs more groups like this - it's good to know they are out there.
I recently saw news coverage of one of the protests by the "God Hates Fags" people. They were actually holding up large signs that said "GOD HATES YOU". How can anyone think that is Christian? Some things have got to change.
The "Christian Left" has my full support.

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arachnophilia
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Message 3 of 38 (219194)
06-24-2005 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
06-23-2005 8:45 PM


jacksonville.
wow. this is the first time i've had pride in my state for in 5 years or more.

אָרַח

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jar
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Message 4 of 38 (219195)
06-24-2005 12:21 AM
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06-24-2005 12:19 AM


Yeah, but he's probably from Amelia Island.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 5 of 38 (219203)
06-24-2005 12:41 AM


People - Links and Information forum
Messages 2-4 are at least vaguely commenting on / debating the issue.
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EltonianJames
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Message 6 of 38 (225606)
07-22-2005 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
06-23-2005 8:45 PM


Deceptive
Groups like this sound good but far too often they prefer to ignore the words Christ spoke to the harlot caught in adultery. Though he did not condemn her he did tell her to go and sin no more. Groups like this seem to promote the idea that Christ approved of sexual sin by calling for the inclusion and acceptance of homosexual behaviour. Sin is still sin. God changes not. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the church. What a shame. Still, it should not surprise anyone. Paul told us this would happen in the latter days and now we see it with our own eyes.

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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arachnophilia
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Message 7 of 38 (225609)
07-22-2005 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by EltonianJames
07-22-2005 11:22 PM


Re: Deceptive
Groups like this sound good but far too often they prefer to ignore the words Christ spoke to the harlot caught in adultery. Though he did not condemn her he did tell her to go and sin no more. Groups like this seem to promote the idea that Christ approved of sexual sin by calling for the inclusion and acceptance of homosexual behaviour. Sin is still sin.
judge not.
lest ye be judged.

אָרַח

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Yaro
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Message 8 of 38 (225611)
07-22-2005 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by EltonianJames
07-22-2005 11:22 PM


Re: Deceptive
Jesus said nothing about homosexuals and Paul was a roman bigot who hated women as well. He also adovocated celbacy over all other things.

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arachnophilia
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Message 9 of 38 (225613)
07-22-2005 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Yaro
07-22-2005 11:54 PM


Re: Deceptive
Jesus said nothing about homosexuals
jesus said something about the way we are to treat people -- and that includes homosexuals, as well as prostitutes, abortion doctors, muslims, and people who are trying to kill us. jesus saud "love your neighbor" and that we should have compassion on them. he said "love your enemy" not just those who think like you. he said "if someone strikes you on the cheek, present him the other one too" and that "if someone takes our jacket, to give him the shirt also."
he also said "judge not, lest ye be judged" the same way. and "don't point out the splinter in your brother's eye, when there's a log in your own."
none of these sound even remotely like "condemn the fags."

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EltonianJames
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Message 10 of 38 (225618)
07-23-2005 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by arachnophilia
07-22-2005 11:48 PM


Re: Deceptive
One command does not negate the other. Sin is sin whether we acknowledge it or not. There is no middle ground.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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EltonianJames
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Message 11 of 38 (225619)
07-23-2005 1:06 AM
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07-22-2005 11:54 PM


Re: Deceptive
I am not sure who you think Jesus was so allow me to enlighten you to the reality that Jesus is the Word of God from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation. You are incorrect in saying that Jesus did not speak on the subject of homosexuality, as He speaks throughout the entirety of the Bible. He is the Word of God, written, spoken, or otherwise. That is the reality.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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arachnophilia
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Message 12 of 38 (225629)
07-23-2005 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by EltonianJames
07-23-2005 1:00 AM


three epithets
One command does not negate the other.
let's examine that subject.
according to paul, whose writings i'm sure you adore, should we gentiles get circumcised?
Sin is sin whether we acknowledge it or not.
and "love your neighbor" means "love your neighbor" whether they sin or not. and they do.
There is no middle ground.
yes, i agree. there is no middle ground. judge not, lest ye be judged. you judge people for being gay, and people will judge you for being a bigot.

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arachnophilia
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Message 13 of 38 (225630)
07-23-2005 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by EltonianJames
07-23-2005 1:06 AM


Re: Deceptive
You are incorrect in saying that Jesus did not speak on the subject of homosexuality
really? show me, book chapter and verse, where it says "And Jesus said, 'love your neighbor, but stone the faggots.'"
now, leviticus calls homosexuality an abomination. care to discuss leviticus with me?

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Message 14 of 38 (225642)
07-23-2005 9:29 AM
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07-23-2005 1:06 AM


Re: Deceptive
I am not sure who you think Jesus was so allow me to enlighten you to the reality that Jesus is the Word of God from the first word in Genesis to the last word in Revelation.
This is the sort of nonsense that typefies Christanist fundamentalism. A man, or even a God, can't be a word. How can Jesus be a word?
He is the Word of God, written, spoken, or otherwise. That is the reality.
That's a nonsense statement, from a religion of nonsense.

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EltonianJames
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Message 15 of 38 (225649)
07-23-2005 10:53 AM
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07-23-2005 5:19 AM


Re: three epithets
Simply acknowledging that sin is sin does not make one a bigot, unless you also think Jesus was a bigot.

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein

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