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Author Topic:   Literature on recent Double Slit Experiments
Silent H
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Message 1 of 20 (433288)
11-11-2007 12:18 AM


I've recently been refreshing my memory on Quantum Mechanics. I found some interesting layman's material on the famous double slit experiment, but am having a hard time finding original material, especially for more recent experiments.
For those that don't know, the double slit experiment is where various natural entities (such as light, electrons, photons, etc...) are projected at a single slit and then two slits (which are very close together). This method was first used to determine that light was a wave and not a particle, and later that light has characteristics of BOTH a wave and a particle.
I'm interested in professional journal articles for experiments that involved detectors situated at the slits, as well as more recent experiments that have involved entities at or above the mass of protons. The experiment showing Fullerene exhibits wave-particle behavior would especially be worthwhile.
I can't find any of these online, unless I have a membership to one organization or the other. So anyone that could get me a copy would be of great help.
I'm not interested in personally debating this topic though I suppose someone could debate the value of these experiments, or their meaning. If people want to debate, I'd be happy to watch.
This should probably go in short subjects?

h
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Message 2 of 20 (433296)
11-11-2007 9:49 AM
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11-11-2007 12:18 AM


Don't be so silent, H!
Silent H writes:
I'm not interested in personally debating this topic though I suppose someone could debate the value of these experiments, or their meaning. If people want to debate, I'd be happy to watch.
Whaddaya think this is, sex?

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11-11-2007 10:27 AM


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Message 4 of 20 (433311)
11-11-2007 10:47 AM
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11-11-2007 12:18 AM


Quantum mechanics
I'm interested in professional journal articles for experiments that involved detectors situated at the slits
Would you settle, at least for the time being, a more cartoonish approach?
good to see you

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Silent H
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Message 5 of 20 (433374)
11-11-2007 3:44 PM
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11-11-2007 10:47 AM


Re: Quantum mechanics
Thanks for the link, unfortunately that was one of the many "layman's" versions I'd found. Those are fine for understanding what the experiments are about, but I actually need the papers of these experiments to check exact methodology and such.
This is a hard science kind of thingy.
{Good to see you too. Still enjoy reading your posts!
I guess I should take the time to say something in general, since I am "decloaking". Get rid of the elephant in the room.
Thanks to everyone who wished me well. Double that to those who went out of their way to contact me directly (to check up on me). Also, special thanks to one person in particular who shall remain nameless... for your protection at EvC, heheheh. Your thoughts and consideration (and could it have been prayers?) really helped me through the depths of a very bleak period. You cannot know how much it meant and how grateful I am.
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Wounded King
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Message 6 of 20 (433390)
11-11-2007 5:27 PM
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11-11-2007 12:18 AM


Is there nothing on Arxiv, that has a lot of high quality technical particle physics papers.
Just putting in 'double slit fullerene' as search terms in the physics section threw up a few hits.
Decoherence in a Two Slit Diffraction Experiment with Massive Particles
Authors: Paula I. Villar, Fernando C. Lombardo, Journal of Physics: Conf. Ser. 67, (2007) 012041
Interference of mesoscopic particles: quantum--classical transition
Authors: P. Facchi, S. Pascazio, T. Yoneda.
I have to caveat Arxiv to some extent as papers there are not necessarily peer reviewed, although they do have an 'endorsement' system.
I don't know if these are the sort of papers you are looking for but there were many more hits on the search.
TTFN,
WK
Edited by Wounded King, : No reason given.

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Message 7 of 20 (433391)
11-11-2007 5:27 PM
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11-11-2007 3:44 PM


Re: Quantum mechanics
welcome back from your long road amigo
Try
The Vega Science Trust - Richard Feynman - Science Videos
Feynman lectures on tape
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : added link
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Message 8 of 20 (433392)
11-11-2007 5:34 PM
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11-11-2007 12:18 AM


I just went to wikipedia and typed in "double slit experiment" and got a very nice, concise article with several references and links. Some of these links might steer you where you want to go. Just remember, when in doubt, Wiki.

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Message 9 of 20 (433398)
11-11-2007 6:26 PM
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11-11-2007 3:44 PM


Re: Quantum mechanics
Hey, great to have you back Was wondering about you only last week.
Anyway, start here and work back through the refs. Hopefully most will be available in quant-ph on lanl (arXiv).

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Silent H
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Message 10 of 20 (433399)
11-11-2007 6:31 PM


Thanks thanks and thanks...
WK: I had never heard of Arxiv, but those are the kinds of papers I am looking for... though peer review might be nice.
RAZD: I'll enjoy the Feynman lectures whether they exactly detail what I want or not. I'd never heard him before, and hearing that accent puts his work in a totally different light.
AiG: Actually I'd done the Wiki thing already, but it was certainly a good suggestion. The page itself suggested that the "detectors" used at slits had never been detailed. That was one of the things I am specifically looking for. And interestingly the only article they have directly off of their page, regarding larger mass entities, appears to be more or less a simulation of the double slit (using drops). But of course you make the point that its possible to follow leads from the sources Wiki cites. I'll admit to a bit of laziness in that after the first few led me nowhere (that is no place that I could get the papers for free) I decided to check here.
Thanks again!

h
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Silent H
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Message 11 of 20 (433400)
11-11-2007 6:34 PM
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11-11-2007 6:26 PM


Re: Quantum mechanics
Sweet. I was wagering (to myself) at the very least you'd have something to ref, or know where to get it.
I'll be bookmarking Arxiv.

h
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

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Message 12 of 20 (433401)
11-11-2007 6:40 PM
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11-11-2007 6:31 PM


Feynman
Richard Feynman is my favorite physicist.
Look him up on youtube. There's a wonderful BBC interview with him.
Read his popsci books too (Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman and lots more). He knew how to tell a story.

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Message 13 of 20 (433402)
11-11-2007 6:45 PM
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11-11-2007 6:40 PM


Re: Feynman
The Feynman Lectures on Physics are a pretty good read, too. These are based on class notes when he taught a first year course on physics at Caltech in the 1960s -- poor bastards. I can't actually imagine learning physics from these books, but if you already have some background in the material, then they are a joy to read. He has a different way of looking at the same old topics that are invigorating.
Oh, and by the way, welcome back, H. I thought about you often while you were gone, and I'm glad to hear that you're well.

Computers have cut-and-paste functions. So does right-wing historical memory. -- Rick Perlstein

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Silent H
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Message 14 of 20 (433408)
11-11-2007 8:35 PM
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11-11-2007 6:45 PM


Re: Feynman
Hey Chiro, thanks for the welcome back.
I had read some of Feynman's works. Unfortunately, I had an annoying professor that wouldn't shut up about the guy and in a way it sort of turned me off, and I suppose made me read him in a certain way. That is to say I had a vastly different idea of what he actually spoke like. Less personable.
Watching the vid RAZD linked completely obliterated my previous opinion. Not only was he personable, the way he talked made his discussion of probability feel like I was talking to a bookie. I loved when (and how) he said if you don't like it, fine, go somewhere else, another universe...
Aside to Molbio... after I get through the vids at RAZD's link, I'll definitely check out Youtube. I was sort of wondering if there was more out there as I watched the first one of this series. Its good to know there are.
Edited by Silent H, : unfortunately

h
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Message 15 of 20 (433414)
11-11-2007 9:37 PM
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11-11-2007 8:35 PM


Re: Feynman
Silent H
I was sort of wondering if there was more out there as I watched the first one of this series. Its good to know there are.
http://www.collectedthoughts.com/author.aspx?id=11111
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=feynman&gwp=13
http://explorepdx.com/feynman.html
There are a few of the available items available on the internet. Hope you enjoy them.

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