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Edward Teller 
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Message 1 of 117 (112618)
06-03-2004 11:34 AM


The Book with Seven Seals. What type of book was it ?

This is an investigation using the methods explained by Ronald Pegg that show ancient texts describe modern objects.

Revelations 5:5 "behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof"

In the Greek section of Strong's Concordance : Greek word # 975 "book" means a roll.
English word 'roll' comes from Latin 'rota' meaning wheel.

This identifies exactly what type of ancient book was being described - a wheel - and not a scroll or a sheet of papyrus.

In the religious account relating to Revelations 5:5 we are told that a Lion opens this book. But although the Old English translators have made it appear to be this way, they have not used the original word meanings or contexts of some prepositions in the text and have misrepresented the original message being related by John.
Checking the Greek section of Strong's Concordance we find:
Word#..Old Eng..meaning
2400..Behold..Behold [as in look]
3023..the Lion..the Lion,
5607..of..being [don't forget its associated preposition: G-1537]
1537.. .. a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds) - out of
5443..tribe..an offshoot
2455..Juda..(from Hebrew word-3063: celebrated**; from H-3034: to use the hand)
4491..Root..root (as in the place where offshoots sprout, or where something begins)
1138..David..(from H-1732: loving; but from H-1730: to boil: unused root)*

*The Old English meanings of the Hebrew words "Juda" and "David" do not reflect their etymology. For some reason the translators have ignored the context and original meanings of the words from which they were derived.

**Celebrate = to perform a ritual, but the word translated as 'Juda' should also associate the context of using the hand.

The transliteration of the three Hebrew letters that form the word David are"DVD". The vowels have only been added to the Hebrew letters to make it pronouncable easily in English - but this has removed the original meaning, being the abbreviation of digital video disk - a more modern name for a compact disk that contains video presentations (called a CD-Rom by Ronald Pegg).

The original message that John was trying to report in Revelations 5:5 was
Behold the lion being out of an offshoot. To use the hand (in the sense of a ritual). The root of the DVD has prevailed to open the wheel, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
The biblical concept of the "Tree of Knowledge" refers to the Directory Tree of the Windows 3.1 File Manager.
An offshoot (from this tree) = one of the files seen in the window.

The root of the DVD = the root directory of the compact disk.
"Juda" meaning 'to use the hand (in the sense of a ritual)' = using the hand-mouse to click on the file (offshoot) from the root (directory) of the DVD [as seen from the computer's Tree of Knowledge].

The "seven seals" of the "wheel" = the 7 icons from the Map Page of the circular Ancients digital disk.
Behold the lion being out of an offshoot = Behold the Lion icon (as seen from this disk), being out of one of the files [from the root directory of the DVD that was clicked upon by ritually using the hand].

This specific offshoot "root file" is documented in Revelations 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel" = a file with 144,000 bytes of data = the mediterr.exe programme file.

As seen on the computer's screen and associated with the mediterr.exe file is the data 143,442 which means this file takes up 143,442 bytes of disk space. Rounded up to the next thousand derives 144,000.

This confirms that John viewed a CD-Rom / dvd that had seven Heading icons (seals). One of the headings is of a LION.

Upon further investigation it is found that the "Creation sequence" in ancient texts also describe this CD-Rom (dvd), thus negating the religious Creation Myth.

More details may be found at www.pphcstudygroup.org.au


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jar
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Message 2 of 117 (112635)
06-03-2004 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Edward Teller
06-03-2004 11:34 AM


Too, too funny.
A DVD that held less information than a 5 1/4" Double-sided (not even double-density) floppy disk.

Very persuasive.


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Loudmouth
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Message 3 of 117 (112650)
06-03-2004 2:10 PM


More proof that the "predicitions" in Revelation can apply to almost anything if enough rationalization is used. This is the same procedure that people of every generation use to claim that the second coming of Christ is just around the corner. In the end, Revelation can be bent to explain everything, and in the process ends up explaining nothing.
  
arachnophilia
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Message 4 of 117 (112735)
06-04-2004 7:10 AM


read with me:

revelation 5.5
kai eiV ek twn presbuterwn legei moi mh klaie idou enikhsen o lewn o wn ek thV fulhV iouda h rhza dabid anoixai to biblion kai lusai taV epta sfragidaV autou

ok, now that we've removed all this greek to english to latin = round crap, where's the connotation of roundness?

and one of the sanhedrin says to me "do not mourn. see victory taken by the lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir of David opening the book and the seven seal himself"

"biblion" has no connotation of being round.

[edited because i remembered how to type in greek]

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One_Charred_Wing
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Message 5 of 117 (112875)
06-05-2004 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Edward Teller
06-03-2004 11:34 AM


So how'd the computer get back in John's time?
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crashfrog
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Message 6 of 117 (112880)
06-05-2004 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Edward Teller
06-03-2004 11:34 AM


This specific offshoot "root file" is documented in Revelations 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel" = a file with 144,000 bytes of data = the mediterr.exe programme file.

Why would the John writer, presumably ignorant of binary number systems and the idea of binary data storage, care to specify the byte size of a computer file? How would he even understand what that meant?

Seriously. If you looked hard enough you could find prophecy in Dude, Where's My Car? I doubt you'll find too many people here who are going to stand physics on its ear just because you can twist the meaning of Revelations.


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arachnophilia
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Message 7 of 117 (112888)
06-05-2004 5:04 AM
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06-05-2004 1:17 AM


time travel, silly.

duh.


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Edward Teller 
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Message 8 of 117 (112903)
06-05-2004 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by crashfrog
06-05-2004 2:43 AM


He didn't understand, that is why he was told
Question asked: "Why would the John writer, presumably ignorant of binary number systems and the idea of binary data storage, care to specify the byte size of a computer file? How would he even understand what that meant?"

John was told (by the time traveller) the numerical value of the highlighted file that made the 'sun-disk' (wheel) operate. This was apparently significant to him as it opened the "sealed book" with seven seals.

You haven't read and viewed the written and visual evidence from the pphcstudygroup's web site - have you. It is therein explained in detail.


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crashfrog
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Message 9 of 117 (112904)
06-05-2004 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Edward Teller
06-05-2004 8:13 AM


John was told (by the time traveller) the numerical value of the highlighted file that made the 'sun-disk' (wheel) operate.

Why, though?

When you pop in your Matrix: Reloaded DVD, do you tell people the filesize?

That's a ludicrous detail to expect a time-traveller to have imparted, when nobody in his audience would have had the technical or even mathematical background to understand it. Hell, there's no way the John writer could even have been expected to understand the concept of data having a size.

It is therein explained in detail.

How can I debate with a website? You're the one promoting this stuff; it's up to you to defend it.


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arachnophilia
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Message 10 of 117 (112906)
06-05-2004 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Edward Teller
06-05-2004 8:13 AM


Re: He didn't understand, that is why he was told
You haven't read and viewed the written and visual evidence from the pphcstudygroup's web site - have you. It is therein explained in detail.

i see no detail.

and after i stopped laughing and actually gave it a look, it appears you have to register or something.

also, he's really, really reading into stuff.

go read chariots of the gods, which asserts that space aliens visited earth long ago, as evidenced by all sorts of ancient stuff, and are the source of the major religions. i think that guy has more of a case.

also, he has very odd technology references. if i had a time machine, i wouldn't be using a 386 for instance. in fact, i don't have a time machine, and i still wouldn't be using a 386. in fact, i've been using computer longer than most people i know, and i've never even owned a 386.

and how does he know time travelers ran windows 3.1, anyways? or groliers?

i suspect he's making stuff up.


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arachnophilia
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Message 11 of 117 (112907)
06-05-2004 9:45 AM
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06-05-2004 9:43 AM


Re: He didn't understand, that is why he was told
oh, hey, and while we're at it, http://www.timecube.com/ is always fun. i keep writing to the guy asking how to get my other three days, but he hasn't told me yet.
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Edward Teller 
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Message 12 of 117 (112908)
06-05-2004 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by crashfrog
06-05-2004 8:29 AM


Don't take my word for it
I am simply letting people know about Mr Pegg's discoveries - and some of the new ones being made using his methods.
The pphc-sg web site provides most of his original written and visual documentation that can be downloaded for FREE.

I have answered your question.
It is not up to me to tell you what to think nor to defend Mr Pegg's claims.

I have examined the presented evidence in full, and have come to a conclusion.
There are several suggestions on the pphc-sg web site as to how to study Mr Pegg's claims, but I can not do the reading for you.

You apparently have not examined the evidence, yet you have come to a preconceived conclusion.

I find human nature fascinating and the reactions to new situations such as being faced with new ideas that conflict with contemporary teachings.

But remember, scholars once knew that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth - but due to examining the evidence presented, the actual truth of these situations were eventually discovered.

Mr Pegg's discoveries have just been released to the public - and may have world-wide consequences as you can imagine if and when they are deemed to be true.


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jar
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Message 13 of 117 (112910)
06-05-2004 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Edward Teller
06-05-2004 9:56 AM


Re: Don't take my word for it
I assume that you started this thread because you wanted to interest others in viewing what this person has written. But you start off by giving us an example which is totally impossible for anyone to believe.

First, you ask the reader to willingly suspend reason and belief, and accept that there is time travel. Okay, I can do that. I've accepted movies with time travel, travel to other galaxies and other things that are today impossible.

Then you ask us to believe that this highly technologically advanced person brought back a DVD with a root file of 144Kb.

That is where you will lose every thinking person. Anyone with more brains that a red brick is going to look you straight in the eyes and tell you that is probably the dumbest assertion ever made. Those two statements are so diametrically opposed that even a willing suspension of belief cannot encompass both.

Sorry, Mr. Pegg has nothing.

Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.


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arachnophilia
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Message 14 of 117 (112960)
06-05-2004 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Edward Teller
06-05-2004 9:56 AM


Re: Don't take my word for it
You apparently have not examined the evidence, yet you have come to a preconceived conclusion.

well, since you have to sign up to actually see any evidence, perhaps you can enlighten us? because that first bit you posted... not evidence. that's call conjecture.

i'm fine with time travel, i think we may even master it one day. i'm not ENTIRELY sure it's possible given certain quantum paradoxes, but i'll go with it.

the problem i see is that he's naming technology that was new and unique... in 1992. he himself is enthralled with the cd-rom, as if it's magic. why not hard disks? solid state memory? xd cards? why a 386 and windows 3.1? he seems positive that someone with technology far more advanced than anything we have today is also using technology that literally gets junked today for being too old and obsolete.

it makes no sense.

Mr Pegg's discoveries have just been released to the public - and may have world-wide consequences as you can imagine if and when they are deemed to be true.

call me when they make it through a peer reviexed journal.

until then, go read chariots of the gods, where the same round things in ancient pictures are ufo's. i do believe there's more evidence to that story...


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DarkStar
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Message 15 of 117 (112972)
06-05-2004 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Edward Teller
06-03-2004 11:34 AM


Now that was funny! Good Job!
Nearly fell off my chair, I laughed so hard. Kudos to the imagination of charlatans, and brickbats to the gullibility of fools. Better warn the female members to be careful, they may just pee themselves from laughing so hard, assuming they have a sofisticated sense of humor. (no offense intended ladies)

The referenced site is truly a wonderful example of someone who literally has way too much time on their hands but still it is a most enjoyable read for anyone who loves farcical humor.

Cheers

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