Prophecy Revisited: Israel's Destiny?

The evil perpetrated on Jews was foretold long before most of it ever happened. Regardless of where they have gone in this world, including this country, the following prophesies have come true.Here it is, in black and white. What was prophesied about the Jews has come to pass in repetitions too numerous, and too sorrowful.Psa 44:11
Thou hast given us like sheep [appointed] for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathenLev 26:33
And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a
sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your
cities waste.Deut 4:26
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong [your] days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.Deut 4:27
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.Deut 28:37
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a
byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.Deut 28:64
And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the
one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, [even] wood and stone.Deut 28:65
And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall
the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee
there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:Deut 32:26
I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the
remembrance of them to cease from among men:Deut 32:27
Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their
adversaries should behave themselves strangely, [and] lest
they should say, Our hand [is] high, and the LORD hath not
done all this.Eze 20:23
I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I
would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;"May the Sun of Righteousness rise upon......with healing in his wings".

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"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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That's one side of the coin, Pecos. The other side would require a list of scriptural prophecies at least three times as long prophesying the restoration of Israel back to their land which God promised to the descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The story of the dry bones coming alive in Ezekiel 37 is one example of this. Jesus also prophesied it in his Olivet discourse in Luke 21. It's repeated by many of the other OT prophets as well.Now the region is center stage of the news, has been for some time and will be all the way to Armageddon when Jesus, King of Israel/Jews joins his people there on Mt Zion, the temple mount to rule and reign the world for a millenium. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 08-20-2004 10:15 PM

Psalm 44:If you take the whole psalm in consideration, it is not a prophesy at all. It is recounting an event. The people (it’s not clear if that is a family, tribe, city, state or the whole nation) that is suffering through no specified fault. It ends by simply asking GOD to awake and help. Text of Psalm 44Leviticus 26 is not much of a prophesy either but rather a warning. For example in verses 23 & 24 it clearly says, if you do A I will do B. link to text of Leviticus 26Deuteronomy 4 is not a prophesy either, but another warning. It is both a threat and a promise and if you read the whole thing, actually says that GOD will never abandon his people. Link to the Deuteronomy ChapterDeuteronomy 28 is more of the same. It is a warning that if the folk do not follow GOD they will suffer. It’s unusual though in that it is specific what the punishment will be, and that is they will be sent back to Egypt again. Remember, they had just left there and so it was an idiomatic threat framed in the context of the day. Link to Deuteronomy Chapter 28If you want I’ll be happy to go over each of the others but they seem about the same. There simply is no continuing prophesy that the Jews must suffer.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That's well-said, Buz. The restoration prophecies would be nice to see. Please do.The Jews are scattered throughout the world, as if the wind had picked them up and carried them away. This, according to prophecy. The remnant living in Israel has a tenuous hold on the land, and a just as sorrowful existence.When the King of Israel returns, it will be for those who are waiting for him. That will certainly not be many Jews.
The Jews had the prophecies of his coming. The Magi knew of it, a few Jews did as well. Most rejected him, most of humanity has and will continue to reject him.

No thank you.
You did quite well, but circular discussion is not my thing.God said I will scatter you, and scattered is what they are. You may not wish to call it prophecy, but that is what it is. You may not wish to acknowledge the results of the prophecies, but history bears them out.
There is a danger in singling out verses without considering the whole chapter, book.
The chapter, book - the entire Bible speaks of nothing other than the disobedience of God's chosen people, and the consequences. It is also filled with heart-wrenching pleas - ignored.The lesson is for everyone.

You know.. one of the problems when talking about prophecy and the Jews with Christians is that the concept of prophecy amoung the Jews is different. It is not a foretelling of the future, but rather a message from God, about what is occuring THEN. Usually the prophet sees things gonig wrong, and it attempting to steer the nation of Israel back to the proper path to God.There are certain things that happen over and over again. Sometimes, things are phrased vaguely enough, it can be adapted to any situation.Between those two items, the difference in what prophecy is to the Jews, and the difference between prophecy is to the Christians, and
the 'one size fits all' message, you get mixed signals about 'prophecies coming true'.

Absolutely. That is why, instead of quotemining, I included the context of the quote and a link to the whole chapter. And in each of the cases it turns out that there was not the prophesy that you asserted but rather a totally different picture.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Of course Buz, as you know, the Olivet Discourse is about the events leading up to the destruction of the Herodian additions to the Temple. It's not about current events at all.

You did exactly what you were supposed to do.
You used one thought I presented and ran with it, disregarding the outline as a whole.The prophecies in question have all come to pass, and are still coming to pass.It doesn't REALLY mean what it says - is the story of the Bible. If God says 'red', he doesn't really mean red, he means blue. If God, for instance, says the soul that sins it shall die, he doesn't really mean that, what he really means is that the soul is immortal. Even tho the scriptures say that God only has immortality, it doesn't really mean that he is the only one who has immortality, it means the soul has it too, whatever it means that if the soul sins it shall die, it doesn't mean dead as in dead, it means immortal. Are you following me? So, even tho it says God will scatter Israel, it doesn't really mean scatter, it means something else, for even tho they are scattered, they are not really scattered, even tho they are all over this planet, it means something entirely different. You just can't say what it means, even tho the evidence clearly says they are scattered.
Yeah, by George, I think I've got it.

But you didn't show a prophesy? Agreed.When it says there was a fall, it doesn't mean that.When it says there was a flood, it doesn't mean that.When it says there was and Exodus, it doesn't mean that.When it says the sun stood still, it doesn't mean that.When it says Joshua conquered Jericho, it doesn't mean that. Yup, I think you got it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yup, I think I've got it.
Glad you think you do, too.

Is there never a point when the Bible is to be taken literally?

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Whenever people agree with me, I always feel that I must be wrong.

Sure. When it says Love GOD, and love your neighbors as yourself.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

How would one go about showing their love for God? I know in the NT it shows how to love your neighbor but how do you show your love for God?

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Whenever people agree with me, I always feel that I must be wrong.