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GreyOwl Inactive Member |
Are there any passages in the bible that explicitly make the claim that God is omnipotent, omniscient, etc. ? I'm curious whether this claim is actually made, just inferred from other passages, or is perhaps just a traditional belief that developed separately from the bible.
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Tal Member (Idle past 4503 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Enter the "Can God make a rock so big He can't move it." argument?
There is no passage that I'm aware of that specifically says omnipotant/omniscient. It is inferred from other passages.
There are things that God can't do, theologically. For instance, He can't lie. Whether or nto that affects his power base is subject to debate. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 www.1st-vets.us
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GreyOwl Inactive Member |
Is there a specific thread about that? I searched for it but only found mentions of it in parts of other discussions, not one by that title. And is the claim that God can not lie or just that he does not lie?
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Brian Member (Idle past 3786 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi T
There are many examples of God lying, one is in Genesis 2:17. but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die Another one is in Deuteronomy 13:1-3 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. There are more example of God telling lies, but one example should be enough to demonstrate that God can tell lies. Brian.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 170 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i believe god can do anything, including what we would term evil. as brain pointed out, god does tell lies in the bible, or instruct his messangers to lie. but we've had this debate here somewhat recently.
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Tal Member (Idle past 4503 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
They surely died.
Need some clarification on this one. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 www.1st-vets.us
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Not when they ate it. And they were going to die anyway, eventually.
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jar Member Posts: 33248 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Actually, in the story, the reason they got thrown out of the Garden was not because they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (whew) but out of a fear that they might eat from the tree of life. I never really understood why GOD didn't just take the tree of life away or stick the gardian angel that he put at the gates of eden on duty at the said tree. The whole story is yet another example that indicates why the Bible should not be taken literally. From Genesis 3
So the whole expulsion from the Garden of Eden was not over the fruit that was eaten but that which remained to be eaten in the future. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Gospel Preacher Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 549 From: n/a Joined: |
God was refering to spiritual death. If you read the bible from the begining to end witch all fits together perfectly without contradiction though some people may think otherwise, this will be made quite clear.
Stop misinterpeting the bible, it makes drives me nuts when you display your biblical illiteracy like that and think your a proving a point. This message has been edited by Guidosoft, 01-06-2005 15:44 AM
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jar Member Posts: 33248 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Well Guidosoft, over the years I've read the Bible, beginning to end, word by word about twenty or more times. That does not include the Lessons on Sundays or references when looking up a particular passage or quote.
Even if you were to assume that GOD was speaking of a spiritual as opposed to literal death, your assertion does not hold up. There is no indication that Adam or Eve ever died a spiritual death. In fact, much of the rest of the Bible goes on to show that spiritual death is neither a certainty or even likely.
As I said, I have read the Bible from beginning to end and it is filled with contradiction, from Genesis straight through to Revelations. The Map is not the Territory. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian Member (Idle past 3786 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi Tal,
Everyone surely dies. But, they did not die the day that they ate the fruit, Adam lived for 930 years, so he hardly died the day he ate the fruit.
Okay, the two criteria for the Israelites to recognise a true prophet of God were that the prophecy had to come to pass and that the prophet should be speaking in Yahweh’s name. Deut. 13:1-5 If the prophecy came to pass and the prophet was speaking in the name of another god, say Chemosh for example, then the Israelites were not to follow that prophet. If the prophet claimed to speak in Yahweh’s name but the prophecy did not come to pass, then the Israelites were to reject that prophet. Now, to ensure that the Israelites were following the two criteria for recognising true prophets, God was going to send a prophet now and then to deliberately test Israel. Therefore, one of two things must have happened. The prophet’s proclamation came true and the prophet said it was from a god other than Yahweh, or he said it was from Yahweh and it didn’t come to pass. Either one requires that God lies to the Israel, if He didn’t then there would be no test. Remember, a prophet is so called because he/she speaks God’s words, God puts words in their mouth. Whether the prophet is in on the ruse is not known, which really wouldn’t make much difference anyway. But having an omnipotent God requires that He is able to lie, if he cannot lie then he is not omnipotent. Brian.
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Gospel Preacher Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 549 From: n/a Joined: |
Look, this is the theme of the bible.
1. God creates the world. Now, were are those contradictions. I know alot of them that people say and they HAVE been explained. For example, the one about jesus on the cross when he said something to a theif had a contridiction but had a simple answer that was in the bible.
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Shaz Inactive Member |
Hi John:
In answer to your question I would first like to give the definition for omnipotent.
Taking into account the definitions, there are several instances where reference is made that God is omnipotent. El Shaddai(el shad-di') El Olam El is another name that is translated as "God" and can be used in conjunction with other words to designate various aspects of God's character. Olam derives from the root word 'lm (which means "eternity"). Olam literally means "forever," "eternity," or "everlasting". When the two words are combined — El Olam — it can be translated as "The Eternal God." Yahweh Yahwehin the Septuagint: kurios — Lord, Master http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/name_god.html Shaz This message has been edited by Shaz, 08 January 2005 03:27 AM
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Gospel Preacher Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 549 From: n/a Joined: |
Your suppost to make people mad when you post so they can reply against you. lol.
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