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Neutralmind
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Message 1 of 311 (365119)
11-21-2006 10:06 AM


What is the biggest bible contradiction or flaw in your opinion?
Just simply, what doesn't make sense in the bible? In your own opinion, no need for backing up every statement with many chapters of text. Just a few lines will do for me.

This is for my personal study, some questions I'd like to ask my friend about. Because I've found some weird "arguments" that the bible presents.

Also, I asked my friend about why so different species are found on different continents, the answer was "goddidit". I just don't understand the line when, stuff that god did are mentioned in the bible and when we are just supposed to believe god did them even if they're not mentioned?
I would also like some creo to explain that for me briefly.

Creationists are also allowed to explain these probable contradictions arising here briefly.

I still don't need just a list of contradictions. Some conversation would help me to ask more specific questions from my friend.

For admins. I've already read many topics about bible contradictions but I would like this to be about listing many of them and discussing them briefly and not so much getting in detail with one specific detail. Bible accuracy and inerrancy please...


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Message 2 of 311 (365125)
11-21-2006 10:53 AM
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Revision
Hi Neutralmind,

I think you have a good topic that will generate alot of interest will your fellow members, however, we generally try to separate evolution and religion as far as the immediate topics are concerned. I think your first premise about the errancy/inerrancy of the Bible is a good one. Go ahead and copy and paste the information you have about the Bible if you'd like, only this time, leave out evolution for another topic.

If you clean up your post a little by expanding your argument on the Bible while leaving out evolution for a science-related thread, we'll promote it to Bible Accuracy.

Don't hesitate to ask any questions.

Thank you,

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    Neutralmind
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    Message 3 of 311 (365301)
    11-22-2006 4:29 AM


    What is the biggest bible contradiction or flaw in your opinion?
    Just simply, what doesn't make sense in the bible? In your own opinion, no need for backing up every statement with many chapters of text. Just a few lines will do for me.

    This is for my personal study, some questions I'd like to ask my friend about. Because I've found some weird "arguments" that the bible presents.

    Creationists are also allowed to explain these probable contradictions arising here briefly.

    I still don't need just a list of contradictions. Some conversation would help me to ask more specific questions from my friend.

    Please do not focus on young earth creationism, because the bible doesn't necessarily propose that.

    I'm sorry I can't give off examples of contradictions in this opening post, but I think other people can :)


    Neutralmind
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    Message 4 of 311 (365306)
    11-22-2006 4:33 AM
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    11-21-2006 10:53 AM


    Re: Revision
    Will that do for a promotion ^^ ?

    I can give examples of bible contradictions for the OP too if you like, but then it'll be till Friday when I get home and have my material with me.

    If it's promoted, this should be the title: What is the biggest bible contradiction?

    Edited by Neutralmind, : more writing

    Edited by Neutralmind, : Proposed the thread name


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    Message 5 of 311 (365357)
    11-22-2006 11:07 AM


    Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

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    Message 6 of 311 (365372)
    11-22-2006 11:53 AM
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    11-21-2006 10:06 AM


    The Gospel of Matthew has Jesus ride on two donkeys as he enters Jerusalem, is, in my mind, a pretty telling contradiction. Mark and Luke have Jesus riding on a colt, Matthew has him riding on an ass and a colt. The author of Matthew is obviously cherry-picking the Old Testament for prophecies and stumbles on a mis-translation in the Septuagint. There other instances in Matthew cherry-picking the Old Testament that are telling as well.

    The day Jesus is crucified is a good one too. Mark (and I think the other synoptics) have Jesus crucified on the day after Passover (the Passover meal being the genesis for the Last Supper). The Gospel of John has him crucified the day before Passover. Apparently the reason John does this is to support the comparison of Jesus as the sacrificial Passover lamb ala Exodus, something the synoptics apparently aren't interested in. Also in John the Last Supper has nothing to do with the Passover meal. Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman uses this contradiction prominently in his deconstruction of the Gospel of John.

    Also, for a good comprehensive list of contradictions, check out the Skeptic's Annotated Bible.

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

    ABE: I meant to suggest simply reading the Gospel of Mark. It's not that long. There are so many stories of Jesus casting out demons it is startling. The book is rife with what these days would be described as superstition.

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    Vacate
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    Message 7 of 311 (365387)
    11-22-2006 1:27 PM
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    Luke 14:26
    If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.

    1 John 4:8
    Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love

    This is the one that stands out the most for me. Cruelty, hatred, and deception seem all too common in the Bibles version of God. For me to better understand who God really may be I started by first throwing out my bible.


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    Message 8 of 311 (365390)
    11-22-2006 1:36 PM
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    Love
    1 John 4:8
    Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love

    OK how about this scripture counterpoised against the entire Old Testament...


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    Chiroptera
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    Message 9 of 311 (365391)
    11-22-2006 1:37 PM
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    11-21-2006 10:06 AM


    The four very different accounts of the discovery of the empty tomb at the end of each gospel.


    Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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    Brian
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    Message 10 of 311 (365400)
    11-22-2006 1:56 PM


    Correct Forum?
    How do we determine what is the 'biggest' contradiction?

    Surely this belongs in accuracy and inerrancy forum?

    Brian.

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    Message 11 of 311 (365404)
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    Re: Correct Forum?
    quote:
    Surely this belongs in accuracy and inerrancy forum?

    More proof the universe wasn't designed.


    Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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    Message 12 of 311 (365409)
    11-22-2006 2:09 PM
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    I tend to agree that God's love-hate attitude toward His own creation is the biggest contradiction.


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    Message 13 of 311 (365412)
    11-22-2006 2:10 PM
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    Re: Correct Forum?
    More proof the universe wasn't designed.

    :laugh: Perhaps it was just poorly designed?

    Yahweh isn't the cleverest of gods, so He could have designed the universe to the best of His ability, He just wasn't very good at it!

    Brian.


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    Message 14 of 311 (365502)
    11-22-2006 7:52 PM
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    Re: Correct Forum?
    How do we determine what is the 'biggest' contradiction?

    Surely this belongs in accuracy and inerrancy forum?

    That's where I initially wanted it to go, but it seems the OP's point of view as far as the biggest contradiction stems for a scientific point of view. That's why I thought the theological aspects of creation/evolution would suit this topic best.

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    mick
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    Message 15 of 311 (365528)
    11-23-2006 12:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 6 by Clark
    11-22-2006 11:53 AM


    There are some amusing responses to the sceptic's annotated bible linked from the SAB website. One of the best is Are there any copyists' errors in the holy bible? in which the author attempts to prove that all bibles, even those versions which completely disagree with each other, are actually inerrant. Bizarre. For example:

    quote:

    "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, which is the nineteenth year of king Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, unto Jerusalem" (2Ki 25:8).

    "Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem" (Jer 52:12).

    This must be a copyists' error, they say, because in one case it is the seventh day and in the other it is the tenth, and therefore BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT. But after a careful examination of these two passages we can find that Nebuzaradan came unto Jerusalem on the seventh day, and came into Jerusalem on the tenth day. It took him three days to enter into Jerusalem for some reason, which the Scriptures do not mention. Thus we see that these verses BOTH ARE CORRECT, and they are not the result of any copyists' error, for God "shalt preserve them from this generation for ever".


    And they say scientists fudge the numbers!

    Mick


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