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Rrhain
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Message 1 of 316 (498820)
02-14-2009 5:34 AM


It seems that multiple people in this forum have claimed that the Bible does not indicate that the earth is about 6000 years old. It appears that they make this claim based upon a couple trains of thought:

1) The Bible does not give a specific date as if we should expect to find a passage saying, "The Earth was created on Sunday the 21st of October, 4004 B.C., at exactly 9:00 A.M., because God liked to get work done early in the morning while he was feeling fresh."

2) There is some nebulous, non-specificity to the timeline in the Bible.

I say that while the Bible does not give a specific date, it does give a specific timeline which, through a process of simple addition, we can use to come up with a total amount of time for the existence of life, the universe, and everything. If we can then hook this timeline on an actual date, we can then determine exactly how old everything is supposed to be.

Genesis 1 gives the six, literal, 24-hour days of creation from "the beginning" through to the creation of the first human.

Genesis 5 counts up the generations from the first human, Adam, to Noah which gives 956 years.

Genesis 8 says that Noah was 601 when the flood was over (1557 years total).

Genesis 11 has the generations of Noah to Abraham (292 years from the end of the flood to Abraham or 1849 total).

Genesis 12 tells us Abraham was 75 when god made his covenant with him (1924 years)

Galatians 3 says that the Exodus happened 430 years after the covenant (2354 years).

1 Kings 6 says that the building of the Temple of Solomon was begun 480 years after the Exodus (2834 years).

It is generally considered that the Temple of Solomon was begun in 956 BCE so this means that life, the universe, and everything is about 5800 years old from "the beginning."

Has there been a problem with the math? 956+601+292+75+460+480+956+2009 != 5799?

Now, I know there will be some people who claim that the six days of creation mentioned in Gen 1 aren't literal, 24-hour days, but let's just for the sake of argument say that they are. Is this not what the Bible says with regard to the timeline? Was an event skipped? The event listed in Galations 3 is not the same as the event listed in 1 Kings 6 and thus they cannot be linked? If we assume that these direct statements for how many years passed between one event and the next are to be believed, how is there a fault in adding up those years to come up with an amount of time between "the beginning" and now?

So, some very simple questions:

Is this the timeline listed in the Bible?
Are these events actually linked from one to the next such that all we have to do is add the years up to get the timeline?
Assuming that the days mentioned in Gen 1 are literal, 24-hour days, would this not be indicative of life, the universe, and everything being less than 6000 years old?

Arguments about how Gen 1 isn't referring to literal, 24-hour days is not allowed. We are assuming just for the sake of argument that they are. Clearly if the "day" listed in Gen 1 isn't actually a day, then any amount of time could be claimed.

Too, ICANT's insistence that the events of Gen 1:2-Gen 2:3 do not immediately follow chronologically from "the beginning" event described in Gen 1:1 and that Gen 1:1 isn't referring to "the beginning" are automatically rejected.

I simply want to know if there is a break in this timeline and if so, where it is.


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Message 3 of 316 (498893)
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Rrhain writes:

I say that while the Bible does not give a specific date, it does give a specific timeline which, through a process of simple addition, we can use to come up with a total amount of time for the existence of life, the universe, and everything

You said you dont want any arguments against a literal 6 days for the sake of the argument so i wont comment on that aspect. But i LOVE bible chronology and will only address chronology, biblical chronology will only be based on the existence of the human race though... i hope you realise that.

the bible does not explain with any detail the creation of the universe. It is a book about the history of Mankind. It doesnt tell us anything of the chronology of the creation of any planets or solar systems or stars or moons except to say that God was the creator of them.

Rhain writes:

Genesis 5 counts up the generations from the first human, Adam, to Noah which gives 956 years

I've got a slightly different figure. when I added up the years from Adam to the birth of Noah I got 1,056 years. Its from Gen5:1-29 & 7:6

Adam was 130yrs old when Seth was born so we start the counting at 130.

From Seth to the birth of Enosh = 130yrs
to Kenan = 90yrs
to Mahalalel 70yrs
to Jared 65 yrs
to Enoch 163 yrs
to Methuselah 65yrs
to Lamech 187 yrs
to Noah 182 yrs

The flood came in the 600th year of Noahs life so if we add up all the above and add the 600 years we get

Total 1,656 years from Adam until the Flood

Then using the birth charts from the 3 sons of Noah you can work out where we are in the steam of time of mankinds creation. Its in Gen11:10 & 12:4

the first son was born 2 yrs after the flood, Arpachshad, = 1658yrs
Birth of Shelah + 35 yrs = 1693 yrs
Birth of Eber + 30ys = 1723 yrs
Birth of Peleg = 34yrs = 1757 yrs
Birth of Reu + 30yrs = 1787 yrs
Birth of Serug + 32yrs = 1816 yrs
birth of Nahor + 30yrs = 1847 yrs
birth of Tehrah + 29yrs = 1876 yrs

Tehrah died at 205 yrs of age when Abraham was 75yrs old.

This brings us to 2,081yrs from the creation of Adam to the death of Tehrah.

I have to go to dinner, but i'll come back later and add some more.


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02-15-2009 5:58 AM
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5799 is very close to the age of the earth as given by the Jews.
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Message 5 of 316 (498945)
02-15-2009 4:04 PM
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02-15-2009 1:05 AM


Peg responds to me:

quote:
the bible does not explain with any detail the creation of the universe.

Indeed. This isn't about that. It is simply about time.

quote:
I've got a slightly different figure. when I added up the years from Adam to the birth of Noah I got 1,056 years.

Indeed. I overlooked the "hundred" part of either Jared, Methuselah, or Enoch so that's why I'm a hundred years off.

5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

...

5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

...

5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

...

5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:

...

5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

...

5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

...

5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

...

5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

...

5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

But, this pushes the total number of years only to about 5900, which is still amazingly off and is still consistent with the claim that the Bible says life, the universe, and everything are only about 6000 years old.

Moving on: Noah was 600 when the flood started:

7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

And the flood lased a year:

8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

So from the 1056 years we had previously, we add another 601 to get from the birth of Noah to the end of the flood:

1056 + 601 = 1657

Then we get a bunch of begats:

11:10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

...

11:12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

...

11:14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

...

11:16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

...

11:18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu

...

11:20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

...

11:22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

...

11:24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

...

11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

So adding all of those up:

2 + 35 + 30 + 34 + 30 + 32 + 30 + 29 + 70 = 292

So we've got 1657 + 292 = 1949 years from the beginning to Abraham.

quote:
Tehrah died at 205 yrs of age when Abraham was 75yrs old.

Where do you find this? Indeed, the text says that Terah died at 205, but it doesn't say that Abraham was 75 at the time. It simply says that Terah died at 205:

11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

And, in fact, that would be a severe mathematical error on the part of the Bible to have Abraham born when Terah was 70 and yet be only 75 when Terah died 135 years later.

In fact, the text indicates that Abraham leaves Haran while Terah is still alive:

12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

Thus, we get 1949 + 75 = 2024 years to get from the beginning to the covenant.

By the way: You've skipped the year of the flood. Noah is 600 when it starts, 601 when it ends, and Arphaxad is born two years after that.


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Message 6 of 316 (498946)
02-15-2009 4:10 PM
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Mr Jack responds to me:

quote:
5799 is very close to the age of the earth as given by the Jews.

Indeed. According to the Jewish calendar, it is the year 5769 and they count from the beginning.

But, it appears I missed a "hundred and..." in one of the begat lists of Gen 5 so my number should be 5899. Given that the Bible doesn't have any real dates, the only way to get an actual number connected to reality is to tie the timeline to an actual date. I've chosen the founding of Solomon's Temple.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Message 7 of 316 (499041)
02-16-2009 5:16 AM
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Rrhain writes:

quote:Tehrah died at 205 yrs of age when Abraham was 75yrs old.

Where do you find this? Indeed, the text says that Terah died at 205, but it doesn't say that Abraham was 75 at the time. It simply says that Terah died at 205:

And, in fact, that would be a severe mathematical error on the part of the Bible to have Abraham born when Terah was 70 and yet be only 75 when Terah died 135 years later.

In fact, the text indicates that Abraham leaves Haran while Terah is still alive:

Gen 11:31-32 ends with Terah traveling to Canaan with Abram, and died in Haran at the age of 205yrs old.

Gen 12;1-4 says that God made a covenant with Abraham and told him to leave Haran. Vs 4 says that he was 75yrs of Age.


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Message 8 of 316 (499043)
02-16-2009 6:28 AM
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Peg responds to me:

quote:
Gen 11:31-32 ends with Terah traveling to Canaan with Abram, and died in Haran at the age of 205yrs old.

Gen 12;1-4 says that God made a covenant with Abraham and told him to leave Haran. Vs 4 says that he was 75yrs of Age.


Yes. I guess I'm not sure what you're getting at, then. Does it matter how old Terah was when he died? The timeline continues from when god made the covenant with Abraham which happened when he was 75. What does Terah's age at his death have to do with it?


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Message 9 of 316 (499132)
02-16-2009 9:48 PM
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Rrhain writes:

Yes. I guess I'm not sure what you're getting at, then. Does it matter how old Terah was when he died?

it simply adds to the timeline; from the beginning of the flood to the death of Terah are a total of 427yrs.

Here is the timeline using the time period between events

from Adam to the flood are a total of 1,656years
to the Abrahamic Coventant another 427yrs (this came into effect after the death of Terah)
to the exodus from Egypt another 430 yrs
to the temple construction another 479 yrs
to the division of the kingdom into the Nth and Sth 37 yrs
to the babylonian destrution of judah in 607bce 390 yrs
to the release from Babylon in 537 bce 70yrs
to the rebuilding of the Walls of Jerusalem another 82 yrs
to the baptism of Jesus 483 yrs
to today 2008yrs + 1 mth & 17 days

if you add the number of years between these events we are
approximately 6062 yrs from the time of Adams creation.

this figure in no way makes the 'earth' 6062 yrs old though becuase the bible chronology is purely based on 'mankinds' history and not the history of the physical earth itself.


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Message 10 of 316 (499831)
02-20-2009 11:36 PM
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Peg responds to me:

quote:
quote:
Does it matter how old Terah was when he died?

it simply adds to the timeline; from the beginning of the flood to the death of Terah are a total of 427yrs.


But the death of Terah is irrelevant to the timeline. We aren't concerned with when Terah died but rather how old he was when Abraham was born.

quote:
to the Abrahamic Coventant another 427yrs (this came into effect after the death of Terah)

Incorrect. As I said before, it would be an amazing mathematical error for Abraham to be only 75 when Terah died. Terah was 70 when Abraham was born:

Genesis 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

And Abraham was 75 when the covenant was established:

Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

Since Terah died when he was 205:

Genesis 11:32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

It would be quite the feat for 135 years to pass between the birth of Abraham and the establishment of the covenant and yet Abraham be only 75 at the time.

Just as we don't care how old Adam was when he died for the timeline, we don't care how old Terah was when he died. We only care about when the covenant was established and how old Abraham was when it happened.

Thus, your entire statement is incorrect. From the end of the flood to the covenant is 367 years:

Genesis 11:10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

...

11:12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

...

11:14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

...

11:16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

...

11:18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

...

11:20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

...

11:22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

...

11:24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

...

11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

...

12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

From the end of the flood is 2+35+30+34+30+32+30+29+70+75 = 367 years.

Now, Galatians tells us how many years passed between the covenant and the exodus:

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

And 1 Kings tells us how many years passed between the exodus and the founding of the temple:

1 Kings 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.

Thus, we've got:

From the beginning to the end of the flood: 1657 years.
From the end of the flood to the covenant: 367 years.
From the covenant to the exodus: 430 years.
From the exodus to the temple: 480 years.

This is a total of 2934 years.

Archaeological findings put the temple at about 956 BCE.

Thus, 1657+367+430+480+956+2009 = 5899 years.

Now, why are you still ignoring the year of the flood and why do you put the time between the exodus and the temple at 479 years when the text says 480?

quote:
this figure in no way makes the 'earth' 6062 yrs old though becuase the bible chronology is purely based on 'mankinds' history and not the history of the physical earth itself.

Incorrect. The "days" of creation are literal, 24-hour days. It says so in Genesis 1.


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Message 11 of 316 (499862)
02-21-2009 5:11 AM
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Rrhain writes:

It would be quite the feat for 135 years to pass between the birth of Abraham and the establishment of the covenant and yet Abraham be only 75 at the time.

Why?

Rrhain writes:

11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
..
12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

From the end of the flood is 2+35+30+34+30+32+30+29+70+75 = 367 years.

you are missing a huge chunk of time here.

where are the years between Abraham being born and Tehrah dieing?

If Tehrah was 205yrs when he died, you are missing 130 odd years because the covenent came into effect AFTER the death of Tehrah and he died when Abraham was 75 yrs old
Gen11 ends with Tehrah's death and Gen 12 begins with Abraham being told to leave for the land of Cannan.

Edited by Peg, : No reason given.


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Message 12 of 316 (499865)
02-21-2009 5:29 AM
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quote:

Rrhain writes:

It would be quite the feat for 135 years to pass between the birth of Abraham and the establishment of the covenant and yet Abraham be only 75 at the time.

Why?


Wow! That has to be one of the most amazingly obtuse questions ever asked on this forum.

Do the math. How old would Abram be 135 years after his birth ?


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Message 13 of 316 (499866)
02-21-2009 5:42 AM
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lets do the math

Terah from the age of 70yrs begins to have kids

Terah at age 205yrs dies

When Terah died at 205, Abraham was only 75, so Terah must have been 130 when Abraham was born.

205-75=130

so Abraham was born when Tehra was 130 yrs old, not 70.

Edited by Peg, : No reason given.


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Message 14 of 316 (499869)
02-21-2009 5:49 AM
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quote:

lets do the math

OK. The question was how old was Abram 135 years after he was born.
0 + 135 = 135. Want to tell me how you got 75 out of that ?

quote:

Terah from the age of 70yrs begins to have kids

It doesn't say begins, and the first named (and therefore presumably the oldest) is Abram. Looks as if Abram is born by the time Terah is 70.

quote:

Terah at age 205yrs dies

Yes.

quote:

When Terah died at 205, Abraham was only 75

The Bible doesn't say that. Where does it come from ?

quote:

so Abraham was born when Tehra was 130 yrs old, not 70.

Oh, since the infallible Peg says so I guess the Bible got it wrong.


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Message 15 of 316 (499872)
02-21-2009 6:21 AM
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PaulK writes:

The Bible doesn't say that. Where does it come from ?

Gen 12:4

PaulK writes:

It doesn't say begins, and the first named (and therefore presumably the oldest) is Abram. Looks as if Abram is born by the time Terah is 70.

Abraham is probably mentioned first because he's the most famous and the forefather of the Moses people. Its most likley that Haran was the firstborn because his daughter was old enough to marry Terah’s other son Nahor. Ge 11:29.

PaulK writes:

Oh, since the infallible Peg says so I guess the Bible got it wrong.

would you like a lolly?


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