Message 5 of 302 (292019)
03-04-2006 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by purpledawn
03-03-2006 9:14 PM
The ancient serpent -the Devil
On several occasions people have stated in various ways that the ancient serpent/dragon in Revelations that symbolizes Satan/Devil refers back to the serpent in Genesis 3:1 which means that the serpent in Genesis 3:1 is Satan.
The book is called Revelation not Revelations (plural). It is the Revelation (singular) of Jesus Christ. As a climax to the entire Bible it is the culminating and closing book of all the books which are a revelation of Jesus Christ, from Genesis to Revelation.
The link between Revelation 12 is evident - "And the great dragon was cast down, the ancient serpent, he who is called the Devil and Satan, he who deceives the whole inhabited earth; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him." (Rev.12:9)
The "ancient serpent" refers to the serpent in the ancient times when man was first created. This is obviously a reference to the serpent who opposed God with a lie. Only those who reject the New Testament as the oracles of God would argue otherwise.
It continues - "he who is called the Devil and Satan...". The ancient serpent is called the Devil and Satan. Satan means adversary. The Devil is not only the enemy of God but the adversary of God from within God's kingdom. The lying serpent was within the paradise Eden. From within God's realm, God's kingdom, Satan has an adversarial and competitive relationship with God.
When we think of the word "adversary" ... "Satan" we should think of one within God's sphere of influence in competition and opposition to God.
Revelation 12:9 says that this ancient adversary is "he who deceives the whole inhabited earth..."
You, me, everyone reading this board, the monitors, the contributors are all included. All human beings on the whole inhabited planet have been deceived by Satan, the ancient serpent who deceives the whole inhabited earth.
You may consider yourself pretty smart. But no human being ever born has been able to withstand the deceptive power of Satan. That is no person except Jesus Christ God's Son. Satan deceived the first woman created. And her husband followed her in plunging the entire human race into the adversary's deception.
Speaking frankly, even some people's failure to recognize when Satan is concealing of his nature, is a part of the spiritual deception carried on by Satan. The whole inhabited earth has been deceived by God's enemy.
Satan hates to be stripped naked and exposed. He loves to be concealed and hidden. On the other hand he loves those who have an excessive and unhealthy interest in him, like Satanists - those who worship Satan. He can deceive people one way or the other.
The Apostle Paul writes "But I fear lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your thoughts would be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity toward Christ." (2 Cor. 10:3)
Many people, when reading of the words and deeds of Jesus, have their hearts drawn to such a Person in love. It is a pure and simple reaction at such a wonderful figure. But the Apostle feared that these simple and pure thoughts toward Jesus would be corrupted by the craftiness of the spiritual enemy of God.
The simplicity of reacting with pure love toward the Son of God can be corrupted by Satan injecting crafty thoughts into the minds of those who meet the words and deeds of Jesus Christ. A very intelligent person is as susceptible as an more obtuse minded person. Often those with more worldly education can have thier thoughts corrputed towards Christ easier.
But Adam and Eve as the first humans were most likely extremely intelligent. But their pure thoughts towards God's heart and God's intentions were corrupted by the serpent. The identification of the serpent with Satan is unmistakable.
I disagree. IMO, the plain text reading does not support that the serpent of Genesis is the same as the serpent/dragon in the vision of Revelation.
The serpent in Genesis is a beast of the field.
The plain text of Genesis does not name the serpent as anything other than a serpent.
But the revelation of the Bible is unfolding and progressive in nature. And the plain text of Revelation identifies the ancient serpent as the Devil and Satan, the one who deceives the whole inhabited earth.
Who else deceived the whole inhabited earth? When Adam and Eve were led astray by the serpent the entire human family born from them were drawn into the result. The continued opposition of the world to God manifests that the whole world has been deceived, including man's religions. Not one religion on the earth has not been effected in some way by the deception of Satan, including Judaism and Christianity. And Atheism of course is based on the biggest deception of all, that God does not exist.
Genesis 3:1 (English Torah)
Now the serpent was the shrewdest of all the wild beasts that the Lord God had made.
I agree that there is nothing right there that would identify the serpent as Satan. However, there is strong clue.
The serpent was made along with all the other creatures. But the made serpent was more subtle.
Perhaps God's word does not start with the deeper spiritual significances theologically spelled out. But we can gather that God made a creature that was more crafty. And this crafty created being was in God's paradise.
This should immediatly raise some theological and philosophical questions. Why would God make one so crafty that it would oppose God's word? And why is this one in the paradise of God? Didn't Genesis 1:31 say that all that God saw that He had made was "very good"? There are questions that most readers of the thoughtful sort would want to know. One must read on to get these answers.
It is just that in Genesis chapter three God did not disclose everything at once concerning the nature of this crafty serpent. Progressively the mystery is unfolded in the whole Bible, including the New Testament.
In Hebrew “satan” is not used as a proper name until the word adversary is personified in the Book of Job. In this book the adversary works for God and does nothing without God’s permission. Within this book, the personified adversary is not described as a beast of the field.
I'm curious as to the source of this opinion. I have been seeing it on the Internet for years.
We'll see in the discussion how much Satan is working for God. The only way in which Satan is working for God is that God is able to make all things work together for good to all those who love Him and who are called according to His purpose. God is sovereign enough and powerful enough to cause all things to work towards the fulfillment of His eternal purpose. He can turn the tables on Satan. He can cause Satan's damage to work towards the divine purpose by His infinite skill and transcendent providence. Only in this way is Satan working for God.
In the end Satan goes to his reward of eternal torment. That goes against every labor agreement I ever knew.
Those who follow Satan in his opposition to God will join him in his hopeless destiny of eternal punishment. They will go down with their leader to co-partake of their leader's judgment. So we must be careful that we are not deceived by this one but come to the truth of God.
Job 1:7 (English Torah)
12 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thy hand.' So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
It is certain that God's enemy can only do what God permits him to do. Satan is like a mad and vicious dog on a leash. But this analogy is not perfect.
The point is that Satan cannot go beyond what God will permit him to do. Because God wants to demonstrate that His wisdom can prevail over any kind of opposition, he has allowed Satan to do the best job he can to mess everything up. This might be like a grandmaster chess player allowing his opponent to nearly defeat him at every move, taking more and more of the grandmaster's pieces, only to have the opponent helplessly checkmated in the end.
But it is evident that a full treatise on who the serpent is does not fill the pages of Genesis. But that is only because the revelation of the Bible is progressively unfolded in the subsequent books. It continues all the way to the book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ as the climax of the whole Bible.
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