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Dongsheng Zhang
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Message 1 of 82 (369553)
12-13-2006 2:51 PM


Please , Who can explain following:
1A: A sentence in Bible Ezekiel Book: “ . . a whirlwind came out of the north, . . Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. . . they had the likeness of a man” (KJV, Ezekiel 1:4-5).
1B: The biological scientist definite that human DNA molecule is a “right-handed” double “helical chain” that is composed by “four kinds of nucleotides” that they encoding the “human biological body”.
1C: Obviously, Ezekiel saw a DNA “helical chain” as a “ whirlwind”; saw “came out of the north” as DNA “right-handed” helical; saw the “four kinds of nucleotides” as “four living creatures”; saw “encoding human biological body” as “form of a man”.
Which is the Science? Which is the Religion? What is the Same and Different? A, B or C?
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Message 2 of 82 (369582)
12-13-2006 5:31 PM


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Message 3 of 82 (369583)
12-13-2006 5:34 PM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


Science? Religion?
Obviously this is utter drivel attempting to look like some kind of scholarship.
The whirlwind metaphor obviously means a whirlwind NOT a dna helix. Utter nonsense!

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Message 4 of 82 (369585)
12-13-2006 5:39 PM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


biological scientist definite that human DNA molecule is a “right-handed” double “helical chain”
All known life forms have right-handed double helical structure.
Obviously, Ezekiel saw a DNA “helical chain” as a “ whirlwind”
How is that obvious?

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Message 5 of 82 (369588)
12-13-2006 5:45 PM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


Dongsheng Zhang writes:
Obviously, Ezekiel ... saw “came out of the north” as DNA “right-handed” helical....
What does "north" have to do with "right-handed"?

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Message 6 of 82 (369593)
12-13-2006 6:04 PM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


Utter nonsense and classic misrepresentation
Whirlwinds do not come out of the north nor are they righthanded. They are not a helix. DNA nucleotides do not look like a human.
This is a classic example of someone who knows nothing of either the Bible or Biology creating absurd pseudo-scientific garbage.
As a Christian it is embarrassing that other alleged Christians seem so bent on making Christianity look stupid.

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Message 7 of 82 (369600)
12-13-2006 6:27 PM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


God does it again!
Watson and Crick discovered the helical structure of DNA using x-ray crystallography: They (or Roslyn Franklin, actually) shot x-rays through a crystal of DNA which projected a Fourier transform of the crystal structure on a screen. It has recently been discovered that the accelerated electrons in a lightening bolt, when striking air molecules, produce copious x-rays, and that this is a significant component of how lightening bolts are propagated.
Thus, we can deduce that what Ezekial is referring to here is that some person was struck by lightening and that the x-rays produced by that lightening (which appeared to emanate from the north) resolved the person's DNA structure which was cast onto Ezekial's retina.
We therefore see that Ezekial, with the help of god, discovered DNA and its structure, x-ray crystallography, and Fourier transforms long before modern science. This proves once and for all the inerrancy of the bible and its divine inspiration.

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Message 8 of 82 (369604)
12-13-2006 6:41 PM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


quote:
1C: Obviously, Ezekiel saw a DNA “helical chain” as a “ whirlwind”; saw “came out of the north” as DNA “right-handed” helical; saw the “four kinds of nucleotides” as “four living creatures”; saw “encoding human biological body” as “form of a man”.
No. Obviously Ezekiel was describing four creatures walking out of a whirlwind. Just like the passage says. What's wrong with the literal, plain reading of the passage?

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Dongsheng Zhang
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Message 9 of 82 (369715)
12-14-2006 10:58 AM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


Who can explain the second?
I appreciate all of your reply or question. Who can explain the second?
2A: Ezekiel described the four living creatures: “Their wings were spread out upward; . one touching the wing of another creature on either side.” “and each had two wings covering its body”.
2B: The biological scientist described the four nucleotides in a DNA molecule: One kind of the chemical bonds is between the phosphates and the sugars to form sugar-phosphate backbone for linking one nucleotide to another. Another kind of chemical bonds is hydrogen bonds between complementary nucleotides (A-T, C-G), responsible for establishing and preserving DNA’s special structure and functions, such as, the bases are largely buried in the interior of the DNA and are kept away from water.
2C: Obviously, Ezekiel saw “bond between the phosphate and the sugar” as “wing touching the wing of another”; saw “the bases are largely buried in the interior of the DNA and are kept away from water” as “wings covering its body”.
Which is the Science? Which is the Religion? A, B or C? What is the Same and Different? Please get your 2C.

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Message 10 of 82 (369716)
12-14-2006 11:02 AM
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12-14-2006 10:58 AM


Re: Who can explain the second?
quote:
Who can explain the second?
Ezekiel saw creatures who had wings.
Really. It is really quite a stretch to be reading fun facts about DNA into Ezekial.

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Message 11 of 82 (369727)
12-14-2006 12:08 PM
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12-14-2006 10:58 AM


Re: Who can explain the second?
Dongsheng Zhang writes:
Please get your 2C.
No. 2C is off-topic. The OP only concerns 1A, 1B and 1C.
I appreciate all of your reply or question.
Then answer the question: how does "right-handed" relate to "north"?

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Message 12 of 82 (369846)
12-14-2006 11:17 PM
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12-13-2006 2:51 PM


ObviouslyTM Ezekiel saw a vision of a helter-skelter.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 13 of 82 (369909)
12-15-2006 1:00 PM
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12-14-2006 12:08 PM


Re: Ringo
In fact, when a whirlwind or tornado occurs in the northern hemisphere, its helical-direction is always counterclockwise just like the right-handed helix. If it occurs in the southern hemisphere the helical-direction must is left-handed helix. Two thousands five hundreds years ago, the author used “north” but “south” to emphases that helical-direction of the “whirlwind” was a right-handed.

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Message 14 of 82 (369915)
12-15-2006 1:11 PM
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12-15-2006 1:00 PM


Re: Ringo
In fact, when a whirlwind or tornado occurs in the northern hemisphere, its helical-direction is always counterclockwise just like the right-handed helix. If it occurs in the southern hemisphere the helical-direction must is left-handed helix.
You're talking about the Coriolis effect. But I think you got it backwards. From the link:
quote:
These inertial circles are clockwise in the northern hemisphere (where trajectories are bent to the right) and anti-clockwise in the southern hemisphere.
emphasis added
Now, I don't know for sure that the DNA helix is right-handed, which correlates to couterclockwise, IIRC, but if it is, then the author of Ezekial, in the OP, was wrong. That, or he wasn't talking about DNA at all.

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Message 15 of 82 (369917)
12-15-2006 1:11 PM
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12-15-2006 1:00 PM


Re: Ringo
quote:
the author used “north” but “south” to emphases that helical-direction of the “whirlwind” was a right-handed.
No he didn't. He used "north" to indicate from which direction a whirlwind came, out of which appeared four creatures with wings.

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