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Aldebaranstar
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Message 1 of 32 (461845)
03-28-2008 8:35 AM


Hello dear members of the EvC Forum.
I would like to discuss this webpage with you. Please check-out this link and post your comments, thoughts and opinions.
http://www.harunyahya.com/
Harun Yahya denies the Theory of Evolution. He explains scientifically that this universe has a creator and that it is not the product of hazard. It was in fact designed by a supreme Designer and has a unique harmony to it, which makes it truly incomparable (see here for more information: Link1, Link2, Link3, Link4)
He proves that man does not come from an ape and the theory of evolution is false, because, as it is stated in the Qur'an: The community of man is apart from the community of animals.”
And it is an aberration to think that a bird evolves from an elephant or other animals.
In the Qur'an it is stipulated, that Adam is the first man created by God. And he has abilities which differentiate him from animals.
Harun Yahya explains how the theory of evolution is propagated by materialists and atheists to spread evils in this world, under the excuse that man, coming from an animal, can allow himself to have no morals and thus degrade himself.
It is good that people know about the reality of these ideologies.
Other categories on his website show the Miracles of the Qur'an. He also talks about the morals of Islam, it's purity and other interesting topics such as the Unity of God, Faith, the Prophets and sexual hazards which harm the society.
Personally, I like this page, because he analyzes interesting subjects well and clarify many questions, especially on Islam.
I am interested in everything that is linked to Islam, in order to explain some ideologies which cause people to err, like e.g. Darwinism and Evolution.
We should permit everyone to express his opinion about them, even if they are contrary to what the majority of people believe.
This is the only way to find the truth.
Peace.
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Message 2 of 32 (461867)
03-28-2008 11:03 AM
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Please rewrite your proposal (click on "Edit") so that it conforms to the Forum Guidelines, specifically:
  1. When introducing a new topic, please keep the message narrowly focused. Do not include more than a few points.
  1. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.
Also, your message is far, far, far too long. Please make it no more than a few paragraphs. Make it clear what specifically you want to discuss, and what position you'll be taking.
Please post a note when you're done and I'll take another look.
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Message 3 of 32 (461887)
03-28-2008 1:09 PM
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Hello Admin.
I have changed my post.

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03-28-2008 1:33 PM
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Thanks, that's much better! Can you add a short summary of the Harun Yahya position on Darwinism and Evolution, and make clear your own position relative to it.
Again, please post a short note when you're done.

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Hello Admin.
I changed my post.

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03-29-2008 8:50 AM


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Message 7 of 32 (462006)
03-29-2008 10:17 AM
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Which religion has the best dressed creationists?
Aldebaranstar writes:
He proves that man does not come from an ape and the theory of evolution is false, because, as it is stated in the Qur'an: The community of man is apart from the community of animals.”
And it is an aberration to think that a bird evolves from an elephant or other animals.
In the Qur'an it is stipulated, that Adam is the first man created by God. And he has abilities which differentiate him from animals.
Ah! He assumes that the Quran is true in order to prove that the Quran is true. If he wants to criticise a major scientific theory without making scientists laugh at him, he will need to be more intelligent than that.
Birds don't, of course, evolve from elephants, but there's plenty of evidence that they did evolve from other animals.
I am interested in everything that is linked to Islam, in order to explain some ideologies which cause people to err, like e.g. Darwinism and Evolution.
I think that you need to learn the difference between scientific theories and ideologies.
I've read some of the material on your link, and it's clear that Harun Yahya has no understanding of biology and the theory he is criticising, nor of the evidence for it.
Claiming that there are no intermediate fossils is a straightforward lie, and what does it say about the "truth" of someone's religion if he needs to lie in order to promote it?
People on this site may find it interesting that he's an "old earther", and also (and I love this) he describes Intelligent Design as a movement inspired by Satan.
Perhaps some of you Satanic I.D. advocates would like to comment on this.
Otherwise, the arguments are standard creationist stuff, like the Christians, minus the young earth element, and with a different set of scriptures to quote from. Biblical literalists will perhaps like to debate the claim that the bible has been corrupted.
Welcome to EvC, Aldebaranster. It is interesting to hear an Islamic point of view.
I'll give you a bit of free advice. The best way to learn about science is by studying the work of scientists, not by studying the religious beliefs of interior designers.
Interior designers are obviously good at teaching you how to wear flashy clothes, though.
Scroll down and find out how to model clothes
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Message 8 of 32 (462007)
03-29-2008 10:19 AM
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He explains scientifically that this universe has a creator and that it is not the product of hazard.
No, he doesn't. He just makes stuff up. For example
quote:
Science revealed the proof of something inside the human body but not belonging to it, something that perceived the entire physical world, but was not itself physical: the human soul.
He got to that conclusion from Einstein's Mass-energy equivalence! Talk about non-sequitur. He doesn't give any references for this scientific proof of the soul, he just says the soul must exist because mass and energy are related in a certain way.
In the Qur'an it is stipulated, that Adam is the first man created by God. And he has abilities which differentiate him from animals.
What are we to make of other animals which have abilities which differentiate them from other animals? Man his hardly unique in the light of all the other unique animals (and plants! And fungi! And bacteria!) out there.
Harun Yahya explains how the theory of evolution is propagated by materialists and atheists to spread evils in this world, under the excuse that man, coming from an animal, can allow himself to have no morals and thus degrade himself.
And Islam is propagated by dualists and religionists to spread evils in the world under the excuse that man was created by Allah and is meant to serve him and that those who do not serve Allah are oppressing Muslims and must be destroyed.
According evolution as I know it, many species of animals have morality (vampire bats will share their food with the hungry, unless the hungry have previously refused to share their food for example). So it follows that humans too can have morals, and since the evidence indicates humans do have morals...the proposal that the theory of evolution justifies amoral degradation is simply absurd.
However - there are some people that spread pseudoscience around pretending it is the theory of evolution in order to justify bad things.
I imagine that you would also agree that there are some people that spread pseudoIslam around pretending it is really Islam in order to justify doing bad things.
Other categories on his website show the Miracles of the Qur'an. He also talks about the morals of Islam, it's purity and other interesting topics such as the Unity of God, Faith, the Prophets and sexual hazards which harm the society.
I do not consider beating disobedient women to be pure morality (4:34). And I don't consider the fact that Locusts swarm to be a miracle as is claimed by Adnan Oktar (aka harun yahya), once a holocaust denier now an evolution denier.

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Message 9 of 32 (462013)
03-29-2008 11:47 AM
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03-28-2008 8:35 AM


Harun Yahya denies the Theory of Evolution. He explains scientifically that this universe has a creator and that it is not the product of hazard.
I had the dubious pleasure, a few months back, of reading Yahya's website.
Your remarks here show up his most characteristic and stupid mistake. At least half his articles seem to go like this.
* Point to something complex and/or well-adapted in Nature. Point out (correctly) that it is complex and/or well-adapted.
* Pretend (stupidly and wrongly) that biologists ascribe this purely to "chance" or "coincidence" or "hazard".
* Conclude (correctly) that this opinion (which no-one actually holds) is contradicted by the existence of things that are complex and/or well-adapted, and that therefore (by an error of reasoning) this proves fiat creation by his personal choice of god.
But biologists do not ascribe adaptation to "chance" or "coincidence", or "hazard". To quote Richard Dawkins: "It is grindingly, creakingly, crashingly obvious that if Darwinism was really a theory of chance, it could not work."
Now, either Yahya knows what the theory of evolution is, and is lying to his readers, which is dishonest, or he's never troubled himself to find out what the theory of evolution is, but has decided to write about it anyway, which also strikes me as somewhat dishonest.
If you saw a website attacking Islam on the grounds that your religious rituals involved eating babies, what would you think of the man who wrote it? Whether he knows that he's wrong, or believes that he's right, does he not have a moral responsibility to find out whether he's right before he sets himself up as a teacher and authority on Islam?
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P.S: here's the little article I wrote when I first read his nonsense.
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Message 10 of 32 (462026)
03-29-2008 2:25 PM
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Re: Which religion has the best dressed creationists?
People on this site may find it interesting that he's an "old earther", and also (and I love this) he describes Intelligent Design as a movement inspired by Satan.
Do you have a link to the ID-Satan thing? I must have missed it.
Thanks.

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Message 11 of 32 (462033)
03-29-2008 4:04 PM
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03-29-2008 2:25 PM


I.D. servants of Satan!!
Doc Adequate writes:
Do you have a link to the ID-Satan thing?
I searched around on him a bit yesterday, and it must have been this from wiki:
quote:
Oktar asserts that Buddhism as being a false religion built upon idolatry and falsehood.[22] He calls Buddhist rituals "meaningless" and "empty". He has also charged that intelligent design is a tool of Satan.
Adnan Oktar - Wikipedia
Which refers to this from Harun:
http://www.harunyahya.com/...ses/news/intelligent_design.php
quote:
"Intelligent Design" Is Another of Satan's Distractions
In rejecting one false claim such as evolution, one must be very careful not to fall prey to another of Satan's snares. One of Satan's main objectives is to prevent the recognition of Allah by any means possible, and to cause people to ignore His remembrance.
There are those whom Satan has not been able to deceive with the concept of evolution. But if he can divert them in another direction, such as that of "intelligent design" he will again have achieved his end, in turning people away from remembering Allah.
How Satan manages to appear in the name of truth and causes people to deviate by obstructing truth is revealed in the Qur'an:
He [Satan] said: "By Your misguidance of me, I will lie in ambush for them on your straight path. Then I will come at them, from in front of them and behind them, from their right and from their left. You will not find most of them thankful." (Qur'an, 7:16-17)
It should be known that overturning the theory of evolution and revealing the "chance" mindset as invalid both demonstrate the existence of Allah, by Whom everything was created, and not of "intelligent design."
To say, "If there is no evolution, then there is intelligent design" is nothing less than adopting yet another false idol to replace the one of evolution.
I've always found it interesting in Islamic scriptures that Satan tries to stop people believing in Allah, because Allah is also credited with drawing a veil over the eyes of unbelievers. Either they're one and the same, or they're working very well together.
It's their fault, logically, that we infidels don't believe, yet Allah then punishes us (rather than himself and Satan) with eternal burning.
Elsewhere, Allah is described as being "just".
Thanks.
You're welcome.
{ABE}Incidentally, his specialist subject at art school was interior design, hence my comments on his obvious interest in his own exterior design.
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Message 12 of 32 (462099)
03-30-2008 8:02 PM
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03-28-2008 8:35 AM


I based my posting on this article.
I simply agree with what the Koran says, because it seems to me logical. I am more interested in discussing spirituality.
To the Admins: Is it possible to make a donation to your site?

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Message 13 of 32 (462101)
03-30-2008 8:55 PM
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Aldebaranstar writes:
To the Admins: Is it possible to make a donation to your site?
Thanks for the thought, but no. The site requires only a single server, I do this as a hobby, and as hobbies go it's pretty inexpensive, certainly far, far less expensive than woodworking or golf.
What we need is programming and site maintenance help.
No replies, please. Offers of assistance can be email'd to Admin.

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Message 14 of 32 (462112)
03-31-2008 6:38 AM
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03-30-2008 8:02 PM


I based my posting on this article.
I recommend thinking slowly and carefully about the article. "Harun" would have us compare the statement: "God created stuff and made you its master. Day and night exists" with the works of Newton? It doesn't even make sense to make such a comparison - vegetables can discriminate between day and night, and Newton was able to deduce much more than that!
He then claims that materialism insists on an infinite universe (it doesn't) and that general relativity and the big bang therefore falsifies the metaphysical position of materialism. This is nonsense. If it did - then there I know of very few people (probably zero) who would be regarded as materialists by his definition.
As it stands, Harun's definition of materialism is a fake, a straw-man and basically gibberish. Harun deftly ignores the problems that the big bang provides for the supposed perfection of the Koran. The big bang has the universe as being billions of years old and is consistent with an old earth and humans being around much longer than before Adam.
The problem lies here: Harun makes stuff up, doesn't provide any actual argument and asserts consistency with the Koran that doesn't really exist. However, people are often keen to overlook these kinds of holes if the conclusion is that they have been right all along.
So here is the challenge - do what Harun couldn't and show that materialist metaphysics insists on an eternal universe and then show that evolution rests on the premise that the universe is eternal. I predict you won't be able to, and the reason you think it might is because you haven't really thought the issue through just yet. That's fine - I hope your stay at EvC will provide lots of opportunity to really explore these kinds of questions in depth, perhaps in some cases for the first time.

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Message 15 of 32 (462113)
03-31-2008 7:06 AM
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I based my posting on this article.
OK, now do a quick plausibility test. Harun Yahya claims that "the findings of modern science" prove that he's "undeniably" right.
Then ... why don't modern scientists agree with him about, for example, evolution?
Some examples:
"Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin."
--- Albanian Academy of Sciences; National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina; Australian Academy of Science; Austrian Academy of Sciences; Bangladesh Academy of Sciences; The Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium; Academy of Sciences and Arts of Bosnia and Herzegovina; Brazilian Academy of Sciences; Bulgarian Academy of Sciences; The Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada; Academia Chilena de Ciencias; Chinese Academy of Sciences; Academia Sinica, China, Taiwan; Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences; Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences; Cuban Academy of Sciences; Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic; Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters; Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt; Académie des Sciences, France; Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities; The Academy of Athens, Greece; Hungarian Academy of Sciences; Indian National Science Academy; Indonesian Academy of Sciences; Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran; Royal Irish Academy; Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities; Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy; Science Council of Japan; Kenya National Academy of Sciences; National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic; Latvian Academy of Sciences; Lithuanian Academy of Sciences; Macedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts; Academia Mexicana de Ciencias; Mongolian Academy of Sciences; Academy of the Kingdom of Morocco; The Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences; Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand; Nigerian Academy of Sciences; Pakistan Academy of Sciences; Palestine Academy for Science and Technology; Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru; National Academy of Science and Technology, The Philippines; Polish Academy of Sciences; Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal; Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts; Singapore National Academy of Sciences; Slovak Academy of Sciences; Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts; Academy of Science of South Africa; Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain; National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka; Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences; Council of the Swiss Scientific Academies; Academy of Sciences, Republic of Tajikistan; Turkish Academy of Sciences; The Uganda National Academy of Sciences; The Royal Society, UK; US National Academy of Sciences; Uzbekistan Academy of Sciences; Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela; Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences; The Caribbean Academy of Sciences; African Academy of Sciences; The Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS); The Executive Board of the International Council for Science (ICSU).
"Evolutionary theory ranks with Einstein's theory of relativity as one of modern science's most robust, generally accepted, thoroughly tested and broadly applicable concepts. From the standpoint of science, there is no controversy."
--- Louise Lamphere, President of the American Anthropological Association; Mary Pat Matheson, President of the American Assn of Botanical Gardens and Arboreta; Eugenie Scott, President of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists; Robert Milkey, Executive Officer of the American Astronomical Society; Barbara Joe Hoshiazaki, President of the American Fern Society; Oliver A. Ryder, President of the American Genetic Association; Larry Woodfork, President of the American Geological Institute; Marcia McNutt, President of the American Geophysical Union; Judith S. Weis, President of the American Institute of Biological Sciences; Arvind K.N. Nandedkar, President of the American Institute of Chemists; Robert H. Fakundiny, President of the American Institute of Professional Geologists; Hyman Bass, President of the American Mathematical Society; Ronald D. McPherson, Executive Director of the American Meteorological Society; John W. 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Owen, Director of Phi Sigma: The Biological Sciences Honor Society; Charles Yarish, President of the Phycological Society of America; Barbara J. Moore, President and CEO of Shape Up America!; Robert L. Kelly, President of the Society for American Archaeology; Richard Wilk, President of the Society for Economic Anthropology; Marvalee Wake, President of the Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology; Gilbert Strang, Past-Pres. & Science Policy Chair of the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics; Prasanta K. Mukhopadhyay, President of the Society for Organic Petrology; Howard E. Harper, Executive Director of the Society for Sedimentary Geology; Nick Barton, President of the Society for the Study of Evolution; Deborah Sacrey, President of the Society of Independent Professional Earth Scientists; J.D. Hughes, President of the Society of Petroleum Evaluation Engineers; Lea K. Bleyman, President of the Society of Protozoologists; Elizabeth Kellogg, President of the Society of Systematic Biologists; David L. Eaton, President of the Society of Toxicology; Richard Stuckey, President of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology; Pat White, Executive Director of the Triangle Coalition for Science and Technology Education; Richard A. Anthes, President of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.
Now, I think that the reason that these people disagree with him about evolution is that they collectively know more about "the findings of modern science" than an interior designer.

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