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thousands_not_billions
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Message 1 of 9 (29422)
01-17-2003 7:28 PM


Hi! Just starting to read Duane Gish's book, Evolution. The Fossils Still Say NO! From what I've read so far, it's really good. Anyone here read it?

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Brad McFall
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Message 2 of 9 (29424)
01-17-2003 7:32 PM
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01-17-2003 7:28 PM


No, I haven;t but I found out that Gould's pet peevee may be Gish's file on him.

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thousands_not_billions
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Message 3 of 9 (29426)
01-17-2003 7:45 PM
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Gould's pet peevee may be Gish's file on him.
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Missing Link | Answers in Genesis

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Message 4 of 9 (29428)
01-17-2003 8:26 PM
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01-17-2003 7:45 PM


There may indeed be "contradiction" between Gould's position on NOMA and the orthogonality that will be eventually or inevitably clothed with a metric as the community digests his tomb(e) in the logic of b. Russel etc that the Russians would be in possesion of a means to rectify but then again I heard Hillary Clinton speak today in Congress.

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Message 5 of 9 (31950)
02-11-2003 12:25 PM
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01-17-2003 7:28 PM


Ah... Gish and his missing fish!
Is he still standing by his claim that "fossilized fish abruptly appear fully formed in Cambrian rocks, and no one has found a single transitional form between invertebrates and fishes"?
"Proterozoic Metazoan Body Fossils." Bruce N. Runnegar and Mikhail A. Fedonkin, The Proterozoic Biosphere 369-388
"New Silurian and Devonian fork-tailed 'thelodonts' are jawless vertebrates with stomachs and deep bodies." Wilson and Caldwell, Nature 361:442-444
'Science and Earth History - The Evolution/Creation Controversy' by Arthur N. Strahler contains a section on possible precursors to Cambrian metazoans .
References obtained in an article by Richard Trott, talkorigins archives.

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Brad McFall
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Message 6 of 9 (31952)
02-11-2003 12:46 PM
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02-11-2003 12:25 PM


Gould's sudden hardening of the Croizat track trumps any difference of specialism and special comment on the field that is not necessarily ones own-- just a thought. My guess is that this is really about if or if not biogeographic homology can or will be defined to any ones satisfaction.

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Message 7 of 9 (31983)
02-11-2003 8:01 PM
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02-11-2003 12:25 PM


And brand new: "Head and backbone of the early Cambrian vertebrate Haikouichthys, D-G She et al, Nature, v 421, pp526-529, 2003. About 500 specimens of this agnathan have been found - with "a puzzling mix of characters" - sounds kinda transitional to me.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 8 of 9 (32032)
02-12-2003 8:40 AM
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02-11-2003 8:01 PM


Is this article free?
[My bet that it's not. *sulks* Capitalists...]

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David unfamous
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Message 9 of 9 (32034)
02-12-2003 8:57 AM
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02-11-2003 8:01 PM


Thanks Coragyps. To add:
Myllokunmingia and Haikouichthys
"Phylogenetic analysis, which uses such physiological features to classify lifeforms, reveals that the fossils are primitive fish similar to the living hagfish and lampreys. Each fossil lacks true bony tissue, but has a pair of ventral fins, consistent with current theories of the early evolution of vertebrates. Their existence shows that a variety of vertebrates had already evolved in the Early Cambrian. The primitive chordates, the group out of which vertebrates evolved, must have developed from the more primitive deuterostomes in Ediacaran times, 555 million years ago, if not earlier." - http://www.dol-ex.org/HTML/p4_1.html

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