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Message 1 of 30 (65299)
11-09-2003 9:05 AM


Debate Thread: Eye Evolution: Zhimbo vs Joralex
All comments, suggestions, feedback, etc, about the debate by non-participants should be made here in this thread.
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Message 2 of 30 (65302)
11-09-2003 9:56 AM
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11-09-2003 9:05 AM


I think the 20 post cut off is too articifical. If the debators still have something to add there should be room to do so.

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Message 3 of 30 (65475)
11-09-2003 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by NosyNed
11-09-2003 9:56 AM


It's artificial, to be sure, but so is enforcing alternation of posts, scoring, etc. It changes the way I'll write, and that's OK. No 1 or 2 sentences posts, for example. I don't think that a formal debate can be unlimited in duration.
I think that 20 substantive posts is more than anyone should want to read by me.
[This message has been edited by Zhimbo, 11-09-2003]

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Message 4 of 30 (65478)
11-09-2003 9:19 PM
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11-09-2003 9:11 PM


Zhimbo writes:
I think that 20 substantive posts is more than anyone should want to read by me.
Which is why the limit is 10 each.
If you and Joralex think 20 each is better then that's fine. Let's see what Joralex thinks.
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Message 5 of 30 (65502)
11-09-2003 11:43 PM
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11-09-2003 9:19 PM


I suggest that edits of messages not be permitted. One better make sure that he posts what he wants to say, correctly the first time.
I don't think there is any practical way to disable the "edit" function for an individual topic, or even forum.
Moose

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Message 6 of 30 (65735)
11-10-2003 10:16 PM
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11-09-2003 9:19 PM


Oh, I just didn't read carefully. It's that kind of careful analysis that will ensure my victory.
Ten each is acceptable to me. 20 seemed like more than enough, 10 seems potentially limiting, but I can just make those 10 count for more. Call me Mr. Substantive.
And if there's more to say, there's still the rest of this site.

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Message 7 of 30 (65736)
11-10-2003 10:21 PM
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11-09-2003 11:43 PM


Damn, you're gonna make me use a spell-checker...
I do think that "no edits" is a good idea. I use edits all the time, primarily because I don't spell check, but for this I'm going to need to be more careful and deliberate anyway.

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Message 8 of 30 (65755)
11-11-2003 3:02 AM
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11-10-2003 10:21 PM


Is there any intent that there be a time limit for a response? I think that if there is one it should be rather long to allow for a higher quality of debate. Days at least.

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Message 9 of 30 (65796)
11-11-2003 9:38 AM
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11-11-2003 3:02 AM


NosyNed writes:
Is there any intent that there be a time limit for a response? I think that if there is one it should be rather long to allow for a higher quality of debate. Days at least.
Oops, an oversight. I'm going to suggest that the time limit for responding be 1 week, and that there shouldn't be any problem if someone asks for an extension. The moderators will have to make a judgement call if someone is requesting too many extensions. Naturally disappearing without notice is automatic loss of debate. Not hearing from a debater for a couple weeks would probably qualify.
I'll wait till tomorrow in case there are any suggestions about time limits, then I'll edit the opening post of the debate thread to add the rules about time limits.
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Message 10 of 30 (65956)
11-12-2003 12:30 AM
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11-11-2003 9:38 AM


I think it would be interesting, if impractical, if there were NO side comments to the debate. The only active "evolution of the eye" topic would be the "Great Debate" topic.
Outside comments, even in a parallel thread, are still going to be a (significant?) influence on the "Great Debate".
I wish Admin/Percy good luck, in moderating the thing. I sure know that I'm not up to such a job.
Moose

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Message 11 of 30 (65966)
11-12-2003 1:23 AM
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11-12-2003 12:30 AM


If we collectivly decide on no side comments I will certainly abide by it.

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Message 12 of 30 (66027)
11-12-2003 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Minnemooseus
11-12-2003 12:30 AM


I disagree about the "no side comments" suggestion. One of the more interesting aspects of Internet debates I've observed is the way non-participants get to critique and or argue the same questions in a parallel thread. This thread can also be quite useful for the participants themselves as a guage of "how well they're doing". Some debates have improved signficantly when the participants realized they were both getting panned in the Peanut Gallery.
I have seldom seen information or argument presented in a companion thread make its way into the formal debate. OTOH, if info is presented in the companion thread that one or the other participants could realistically use, so what? After all, the thread is open to proponents of either side in the debate.

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Message 13 of 30 (66180)
11-13-2003 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Quetzal
11-12-2003 11:15 AM


Cmon..admit it..you just want to re-start the QBN network

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Message 14 of 30 (67907)
11-20-2003 5:04 AM


Zhimbo - please, please don't use Red text, red on blue hurts my eyes.

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Message 15 of 30 (67916)
11-20-2003 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Minnemooseus
11-09-2003 11:43 PM


Edits
Hi Minnemooseus,
One problem with the removal of the Edit function would be in the repair of links. While I try to use spell checker and other things to help my posts I often do not find the errors in the links until I post and find out that they do not work. And with a post number limit it would add to the problem of re-posting links.
As a sidenote concerning debates, I have a massive grant (yes we do grants in industrial biotech ) due in Jan. and hope to be able to rejoin the debates after I sleep for a month.
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
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Transfixus sed non mortis
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