Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 83 (8942 total)
32 online now:
dwise1, Faith, jar, PaulK, ringo, Theodoric (6 members, 26 visitors)
Newest Member: John Sullivan
Post Volume: Total: 863,656 Year: 18,692/19,786 Month: 1,112/1,705 Week: 364/518 Day: 40/88 Hour: 1/14


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Hurricane Katrina
berberry
Inactive Member


Message 1 of 315 (237933)
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


This storm is scaring the hell out of me. It was just upgraded to a cat 5. I can't remember when the last cat 5 hit the Gulf Coast (have we had one since Camille?). If this thing doesn't weaken but does plow straight into New Orleans the way forecasters seem to be expecting (the Weather Channel has been using phrases like "the greatest nightmare New Orleans could ever imagine" and "forecasters worst fears are being realized"), this could be one of the greatest weather disasters ever in this part of the country.

New Orleans is a city close to my heart. I'm very worried.


Replies to this message:
 Message 2 by RAZD, posted 08-28-2005 7:49 AM berberry has responded
 Message 5 by Modulous, posted 08-28-2005 10:45 AM berberry has responded
 Message 6 by roxrkool, posted 08-28-2005 10:52 AM berberry has not yet responded
 Message 13 by jar, posted 08-28-2005 12:43 PM berberry has not yet responded
 Message 19 by Lammy, posted 08-28-2005 3:39 PM berberry has not yet responded
 Message 20 by Trixie, posted 08-28-2005 4:14 PM berberry has not yet responded
 Message 22 by arachnophilia, posted 08-28-2005 4:22 PM berberry has responded

RAZD
Member
Posts: 20156
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 4.1


Message 2 of 315 (237934)
08-28-2005 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


going just west of it won't be that much better due to the way the winds turn

there's a whole mess of bad waiting to happen down there, whole portions of NO are below sea level, because the delta is sinking and not being replenished anymore by silt deposits from the MS river (thanks corps of engineers and people moving into places that shouldn't be built on?)

yeah it could be real bad

camille had a storm surge of something like 20 feet and came in at high tide, if memory serves. stack waves on top of that.

oops ... make that 25 feet:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml


we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand

RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
{{{Buddha walks off laughing with joy}}}


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 7:40 AM berberry has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 3 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 8:00 AM RAZD has responded

berberry
Inactive Member


Message 3 of 315 (237935)
08-28-2005 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by RAZD
08-28-2005 7:49 AM


Could New Orleans be ruined?
Yeah, and if you'll check the fine print on the Camille storm you'll find that it's not always such a good thing to be on the immediate west side. Camille came in at Pass Christian, MS. If you'll look at a map, you'll see that the eastern edge of Plaquemines Parish, LA extends to a point almost due south of Pass Christian. Plaquemines was on the immediate west side of the storm, and yet the parish suffered massive flooding and destruction.

If Katrina should come in at the mouth of the Pearl River (the border between Mississippi and Louisiana at the coast), New Orleans would be on the immediate west side. With above-sea-level Lake Pontchartrain sitting on the north side of the city, and New Orlans and Metarie sitting largely below sea level, how much wind will it take to blow massive amounts of water out of the lake and into the city? That sort of damage could be almost as bad as a direct hit.


"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."— George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2 by RAZD, posted 08-28-2005 7:49 AM RAZD has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 4 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 8:24 AM berberry has not yet responded
 Message 10 by RAZD, posted 08-28-2005 11:43 AM berberry has not yet responded

berberry
Inactive Member


Message 4 of 315 (237936)
08-28-2005 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by berberry
08-28-2005 8:00 AM


Re: Could New Orleans be ruined?
Alison Stewart is talking to Mike Brown at FEMA right now on MSNBC and he said what I just said, only he said that landfall just to the east of NO could in fact be the worst case scenario since it would blow so much water out of the lake and into the city.


"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."— George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 8:00 AM berberry has not yet responded

Modulous
Member (Idle past 391 days)
Posts: 7789
From: Manchester, UK
Joined: 05-01-2005


Message 5 of 315 (237948)
08-28-2005 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


The big easy
New Orleans is a city close to my heart. I'm very worried.

Same here, indeed - I can think of no city closer to my heart.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 7:40 AM berberry has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 7 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 10:54 AM Modulous has responded

roxrkool
Member (Idle past 1183 days)
Posts: 1493
From: Nevada
Joined: 03-23-2003


Message 6 of 315 (237949)
08-28-2005 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


I think I remember reading that only 3 Cat 5 storms have hit the U.S. since they started recording hurricanes. Andrew was the last one, I believe.

I've always heard that the worst that could possibly happen would be for a Cat 5 to hit New Orleans or the New York area. It's looking like one of those scenarios is about to happen. Unless it loses strength or misses it by more than 40 or so miles, this is a mega-disaster for NO.

Definitely worrisome.

edited for spelling.

This message has been edited by roxrkool, 08-28-2005 10:59 AM


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 7:40 AM berberry has not yet responded

  
berberry
Inactive Member


Message 7 of 315 (237950)
08-28-2005 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Modulous
08-28-2005 10:45 AM


Make that the Big Uneasy
Modulous writes:

quote:
I can think of no city closer to my heart.

I can't either. New Orleans is my most frequent weekend getaway spot. It's the greatest oasis of culture anywhere in the Deep South.

Local officials are saying that this could be the worst storm in the city's history, and perhaps even the worst natural disaster ever in this part of the country.

If you want to keep up with what's going on in that apparently doomed city, check WWL-TV's site. It features frequent updates and a message board. There's also a link to a web simulcast of the station's live local TV coverage. It's a high quality simulcast, but you'll need broadband to use it.


"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is."— George W. Bush, May 4, 2005

This message is a reply to:
 Message 5 by Modulous, posted 08-28-2005 10:45 AM Modulous has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 12 by Modulous, posted 08-28-2005 11:58 AM berberry has not yet responded

Nuggin
Member (Idle past 779 days)
Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Joined: 08-09-2005


Message 8 of 315 (237959)
08-28-2005 11:18 AM


Galveston
While a direct hit from the hurricane would certainly be devastating, I don't think it would spell the end of NO.

In Sept 1900 Galveston, TX was destroyed by a hurricane. I mean, virtually wiped clean. But they rebuilt.

If I was living in NO, I'd be very afraid of global warming. The effects of which include more hurricanes, strong hurricanes and higher sea levels.

My understanding is that NO is one prolonged power outtage away from being a swamp, and rising sea levels would on exasperate that problem


Replies to this message:
 Message 17 by randman, posted 08-28-2005 3:01 PM Nuggin has responded

  
Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5399
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 9 of 315 (237965)
08-28-2005 11:42 AM


My daughter (22 years old) is currently hauling butt toward Houston - she slept in her car in Lafayette last night, because there were no hotel rooms to be had. And it took her about 6 hours to cover the 130 miles from N.O. to there. One of her roommates had gone to the beach in Mississippi yesterday morning, with plans to come back to town to evacuate. But since nobody was allowed to enter New Orleans, she and her bf got to evacuate in swim suits with what towels, etc., they had packed for a day at the beach. Great fun.

  
RAZD
Member
Posts: 20156
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 4.1


Message 10 of 315 (237966)
08-28-2005 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by berberry
08-28-2005 8:00 AM


Re: Could New Orleans be ruined?
Used to live in Pascagoula MS. We were 5 miles from the coast. The house next door was moved on it's foundation by a hurricane (probably Camille). The problem is that there is no high ground and you're talking 5 feet to waterlevel.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 8:00 AM berberry has not yet responded

RAZD
Member
Posts: 20156
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 4.1


Message 11 of 315 (237967)
08-28-2005 11:46 AM


Now a cat 5 storm

Replies to this message:
 Message 35 by RAZD, posted 08-28-2005 6:57 PM RAZD has not yet responded

Modulous
Member (Idle past 391 days)
Posts: 7789
From: Manchester, UK
Joined: 05-01-2005


Message 12 of 315 (237971)
08-28-2005 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by berberry
08-28-2005 10:54 AM


Re: Make that the Big Uneasy
New Orleans is my most frequent weekend getaway spot.

Unfortunately, with my location, I can't make it that often, but I get there as often as I can. A good deal of family lives there.

Thanks for the link...I know that area my father lives in has been ordered for a mandatory evac (he lives lakeside near the university...so I imagine he got out before it was mandatory).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 7 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 10:54 AM berberry has not yet responded

jar
Member
Posts: 31489
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 13 of 315 (237986)
08-28-2005 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by berberry
08-28-2005 7:40 AM


My prayers going out to all.
May everyone stay safe and get your asses out.

I well remember Camille.It was pre I-10 days and I was going cross country by the southern route. Much of the coastal highway from LA eastward had been relocated to Arkansas. It was simply gone, as though it had never even been built.

Please do not understimate ANY hurricane.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by berberry, posted 08-28-2005 7:40 AM berberry has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 14 by RAZD, posted 08-28-2005 12:47 PM jar has responded

RAZD
Member
Posts: 20156
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 4.1


Message 14 of 315 (237987)
08-28-2005 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
08-28-2005 12:43 PM


Re: My prayers going out to all.
Yes, remember, this one already crossed FL as a cat 1 -- and killed 7.

People who live in {potential (big) harms} way should be prepared for harm to visit. Whether earth-quake, volcano, hurricane or tornado.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 13 by jar, posted 08-28-2005 12:43 PM jar has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 15 by jar, posted 08-28-2005 1:06 PM RAZD has not yet responded

jar
Member
Posts: 31489
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 15 of 315 (237992)
08-28-2005 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by RAZD
08-28-2005 12:47 PM


Re: My prayers going out to all.
The highest elevations seen in this image is 0 ft.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by RAZD, posted 08-28-2005 12:47 PM RAZD has not yet responded

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2019