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iano
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Message 1 of 111 (306583)
04-25-2006 8:56 PM


I imagine it would have been similar to the first girl/boy you fell for.
An awakening of something within you that you didn't know you had. And more. You looked into the face of someone who, unlike God was the same kind as you. Not just like him. Looking into the eyes of another person for the first time. The first 'disturbance' of your relationship with him. The same as you, but different. And she was attractive. Another new. To be attracted to someone - for the first time. The very first time.
Only better.
edited to clarify
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LudoRephaim
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Message 2 of 111 (306589)
04-25-2006 9:17 PM


Hey Iano
It must have been a powerful experience. It makes me wonder what Eve looked like. She must have been amazing. Plus, it would have been the perfect marraige, due to the fact that there where no other women around for Eve to accuse Adam of gawking at or sleeping around with LOL.
There is a Proverb/joke that this topic reminds me of...
"When God made the world, he rested.
When God made man, he rested.
When God made woman, neither man nor God has rested lol

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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MangyTiger
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Message 3 of 111 (306592)
04-25-2006 9:22 PM
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04-25-2006 8:56 PM


To be attracted to someone - for the first time. The very first time.
I've never read Genesis but I'm sure people here have said it suggests that before Eve was created Adam had tried out the animals - so maybe it wasn't the first time he'd felt that stirring in the loins.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 4 of 111 (306593)
04-25-2006 9:37 PM
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04-25-2006 9:22 PM


:shock:
That's an odd interpretation there. First time I've heared of it. It seems to me like reading into the text. I look for a girlfriend and have ask a few chicks out every now and again. Doesn't mean i'm having sex with them to see if they would be good mates or not.
To me it's a stretch, but I dont doubt some here have put it foward. I'll check ol' Robert Alter and a few others later to see if it is legit or not.
Having sex with animals, called Beastiality, is outlawed in the Pentateuch (Leviticus 18:23, 20:15, Deuteronomy 27:21 Exodus 22:19)and even mating different kinds of animals was forbidden (Leviticus 19:19) and even the mating between angels and humans seems abomnable in Genesis 6:1-4. So the Pentateuch seems to stress a point on keeping things "Natural" of you catch my drift.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 5 of 111 (306596)
04-25-2006 9:51 PM


Another good thing about Adam and Eve's marraige is that, if they didn't eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then when Eve gave birth, it wouldn't be as chaotic as it is in our modern delivery rooms in our hospitals. Eve is said to have been cursed to have much greater birth pains in childbirth after the fall (Genesis 3:16)and Christianity by and large see this as a foreshadowing of the terrible pains of childbirth that women would face in childbirth ever since. So if they didn't eat of the fruit, Eve would not have said this during the birthing process....
"I HATE YOU ADAM!!! I HATE YOU ADAM!!! LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO MEEE!!!!!" LOL
When it talks about increased birth pains, it makes me wonder if Eve had much wider hips than women today have, in relative terms. A wider birth canal would allow for less pain during childbirth.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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ringo
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Message 6 of 111 (306599)
04-25-2006 10:34 PM
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04-25-2006 9:51 PM


LudoRephaim writes:
... Christianity by and large see this as a foreshadowing of the terrible pains of childbirth that women would face in childbirth ever since.
Many Christians see it as an explanation of the pain of childbirth - not a "foreshadowing".
Eve had never had any children at the time, so "ever since" refers to all human births. There was no change. There was no "Fall".
... it makes me wonder if Eve had much wider hips than women today have....
Doesn't make much sense, unless God shrunk Eve's hips.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 7 of 111 (306604)
04-25-2006 11:07 PM
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Ringo writes:
Many Christians see it as an explinationof the pain of childbirth-not a "foreshadowing"
Okay, as long as we are using the right word...
Ringo writes:
Eve had never had any children at the time
I might have made myself unclear somehow, but to this I would say: DUH! The point is is that childbirth was made to be more painful that it was intended to be because of Eve's sin.
Ringo writes:
There was no change. There was no "fall".
No Change? Adam and Eve ate the fruit and suddenly knew that they where naked, something that they did not know before (Gen 2:25-3:7)Adam, Eve, and the serpent where punished severely, and even the animals suffered a curse(Gen 3:14-19) something that hadn't happened before. And then Adam and Eve suddenly knew what good and evil where, and where therefore denied the fruit of the Tree of life, which could make one immortal, something that was not denied Adam and eve before (Gen 3:1-3,22-24, see also Gen 2:1-9,15-17)That seems like a pretty big darn change if you ask me.
BTW: The "Fall" is a term used by theologians to describe the sin of Adam and Eve and the subsequent judgement of God and the loss of Paradise as recorded in Genesis 3. If you say there is no "fall" in Genesis, then you choose to ignore the passage in question. But those verses exist, they tell the story, and whether you believe the Bible or not, in it there is the story of what we call "The Fall"
Ringo writes:
Doesn't make much sense, unless God shrunk eve's hips
Which could have happened, given that God is Omnipotent (Gen18:14, Job 42:1-2) and has done much weider things, such as making Donkeys talk (Numbers 22:22-33)

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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ringo
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Message 8 of 111 (306612)
04-25-2006 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by LudoRephaim
04-25-2006 11:07 PM


LudoRephaim writes:
... suddenly knew that they where naked, something that they did not know before....
Hmm... never noticed they were naked.... So, eating the fruit increased their intelligence from an almost unimaginably abysmal level?
Or, does it maybe suggest to you that the story shouldn't be taken too too too literally?
... even the animals suffered a curse(Gen 3:14-19)....
I don't see any "curse" suffered by "the animals". I don't see any animals mentioned except the snake. If there was such a dramaitc "Fall" of all the animals, why doesn't the Bible mention it?
Adam and Eve suddenly knew what good and evil where, and where therefore denied the fruit of the Tree of life, which could make one immortal, something that was not denied Adam and eve before
I don't see where it says that either. It says they were denied the tree of life after they obtained the knowledge of good and evil, not before.
If you say there is no "fall" in Genesis, then you choose to ignore the passage in question.
Nonsense. I've been in and out of dozens of evangelical churches for half a century. I've heard thousands of sermons and Bible studies and I don't think I've ever heard "the Fall" mentioned in church.
Your interpretation is not the only one.
God's creation is exactly as He created it. Our imperfect condition is exactly as we were created. A "Fall" would imply that the Creator was incompetent.
Doesn't make much sense, unless God shrunk eve's hips
Which could have happened....
I didn't say it couldn't happen - I said it doesn't make sense. Why would God "design" Eve with wide hips and then shrink them? She had never had any shildren. What could she learn from that?
But there are other threads about the fictitious "Fall".
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As for the OP, it seems to me that Adam-meets-Eve wasn't necessarily a love-at-first-sight scenario as iano suggests. After all, they had no choice, did they?
Maybe both of them had to "close their eyes and think of England" or the human race would not exist.

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Phat
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Message 9 of 111 (306624)
04-26-2006 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
04-25-2006 8:56 PM


Alone versus Lonely
One thing that always struck me was the fact that God declared that it was not good for Adam to be alone. This was before the alleged Fall, (If the Fall is applicable) and would seemingly indicate that even as a perfect human, Adam was declared to be lacking something.
Beauty is a mystical concept! I would imagine that God was not repulsive...He is quite attractive to us, yet I think that it is more likely that we are attractive to God.

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iano
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Message 10 of 111 (306639)
04-26-2006 5:46 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by LudoRephaim
04-25-2006 9:17 PM


When God made woman, neither man nor God has rested lol
The sisterhood is watching LP. Be careful out there
And to think, without sin Adam would have been able to say "I love you" not "I love you but..."

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Eis_baer
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Message 11 of 111 (306672)
04-26-2006 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by iano
04-25-2006 8:56 PM


This post has stired a lot of questions in my mind just now.
Did adam and eve have genitals? I think everyone would agree that they did. Would they have ever had sex if they "fall" never happened.
It obvious eve would have been the best looking woman at the time.
But would she have been good looking compared to our standards?
Was adam good looking for that matter?
Did he have a six pack? Or was he chubby? Did he need to shave everyday?
When they realised they were naked, did eve ask adam if she looked fat?

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iano
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Message 12 of 111 (306679)
04-26-2006 9:22 AM
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04-26-2006 8:34 AM


Would they have ever (have) had sex if the "fall" never happened.
Why do you say that? Do you think sex is sinful or something?

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Eis_baer
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Message 13 of 111 (306680)
04-26-2006 9:30 AM
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04-26-2006 9:22 AM


Perhaps I'm ignorant but if adam and eve were supposed to be the only humans ever (I assume), why would there be a need for sex?


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iano
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Message 14 of 111 (306681)
04-26-2006 9:35 AM
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04-26-2006 9:30 AM


Abba!
Ah I see what you mean
Genesis 2:24 seems to deal with your assumption. I wouldn't say ignorant just uninformed

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Message 15 of 111 (306695)
04-26-2006 11:08 AM
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04-26-2006 9:35 AM


Re: Abba!
I believe Eve looked like Agnetha Faltskog from ABBA.

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