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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
Why Evolution is a Fraud by Tom Sutcliff is a must read for anyone who wants an well-written, non-technical and heavily-researched book on why evolution is a fraud. http://www.evofraud.com is the book's website. I recently finished it and I highly recommend it. I've read most of the books that Sutcliff cites as sources and this is one of the best that I've seen.
The book is also available at Amazon, Barnes and noble and Borders, but the website for the book has the lowest price. Edited by Evolution Crusher, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Anyone who says evolution is mathematically impossible is a fraud.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Hi, Evolution Crusher.
The write up didn't really impress me enough to want to spend my money on it, no matter how cheap it is. Maybe if I see it sold used I'll spring for it. I bet that most if not all of Sutcliff's claims are taken care of on TalkOrigin's PRATT list. But why don't you take what you think to be Sutcliff's best argument and start a thread on it? The discussion might be instructive for all concerned. Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
As you're recommending this book, I assume that you've read it.
What's his best point?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Having looked at the website it appears that the term "fraud" is better applied to the book itself. It looks like a collection of emotive appeals backed up by lies and smears.
But surprise us. If there are any really good, honest arguments against evolution in the book I'd be interested in seeing them.
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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
There are a lot of strong points, so it is hard to narrow it down to just one.
Sutcliff cites a recent BBC article where students at a UK university tried to put the famous typing monkey theory into practice. Needless to say, the monkeys did not type anything that even remotely resembled Shakespear as Hardison predicted. They did not even type a legible word in English. However, the monkeys did succeed in using the computers as toilets. The chapter titled Agendascience really nails the 'why' behind why so many folks buy evolution, even though evolution is scientifically deficient and based more on philosophy than science. The best point is the whole focus of the book; the author makes the unique point of breaking the tired old 'science versus religion' stalemate by forcing evolution to stand (or fall) on its own. Aside from a belief in God, Sutcliff does not mention religion at all. His arguments are soundly based on the weight of the evidence, not the consensus of the masses. I thought this was a refreshing approach.
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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
What lies and smears?
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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
The book is not about creationism or even a replacement for evolution. That's what makes the book so interesting. Sutcliff, in fact, says that evolution should not be banned. I checked the talk origins site link and it focused heavily on the Bible and creationist stuff, which is not where Sutcliff is coming from.
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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
A closed mind gathers no knowledge.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
The page to which I linked is a list of the common arguments used to try to refute the theory of evolution. Most of those arguments are attempts to use science and mathematics to refute the theory of evolution. Sorry if you're not interested in looking at that page very closely -- probably similar to how I feel about looking into Sutcliff's book.
People come in here all the time claiming that they (or their favorite author) has disproven the theory of evolution once and for all. So far, they have all failed. I just don't have enough time to read every single book that someone suggests. They have to convince me that it is worth my while. So far, I see nothing that suggests that Sutcliff isn't just repeating the same tired old arguments that everyone has already seen before. Like PaulK, I would like to see whether Sutcliff really does have a good argument. I doubt it, but that is where you can make a difference. Start a thread on what you think is Sutcliff's best argument. Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Oh the link to racism is a smear. I suspect from the sources cited we;ll have the old peppered moth "fraud" story again - which is lies and a smear. And the claim that mathematicians physicists and biochemists have shown to be evolution to be bogus is another lie. So that's a few examples for you to be going on with.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1277 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
More than a little curious....
In a Google search for "Red State Publishing," I found 33 listings, no site for the company itself, and almost every listing was someone or other talking about this book.
This site, a "review"* of the book, lists the evofraud website as the webite for Red State Publishing. Be honest now. You're the author and you're just looking for a little free pub, right?_____________________ * In particular, I love this bit from the "review:"
quote: Wow! In five years, he found 44 whole sources! That is impressive. *chortling* Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1305 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
evolutioncrusher writes:
Uhmmm... you are aware that this has nothing to do with the theory of evolution aren't you?
Sutcliff cites a recent BBC article where students at a UK university tried to put the famous typing monkey theory into practice. Needless to say, the monkeys did not type anything that even remotely resembled Shakespear as Hardison predicted. They did not even type a legible word in English. However, the monkeys did succeed in using the computers as toilets.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: So the book's a parody of antievolution arguments. If the strongest one you can find is am obvious joke then I think we can all have a good laugh and sadly shake our heads over the difficulty of telling the parody from the reality.
quote:This is just more jokes, isn't it ? It's certainly not true.
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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
I don't know about the google search, but the website was provided in the earlier e-mail. No (LOL!) I did not write the book; I read a lot and was impressed by this approach.
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