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ohnhai
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Message 1 of 95 (401441)
05-19-2007 11:40 PM


http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/features/poll.html

Christianity Today's latest poll asks 'Atheism is...'

You will be surprised :)

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Message 2 of 95 (401443)
05-20-2007 12:03 AM
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05-19-2007 11:40 PM


Note the following:

The Atheism poll, 8300 votes, the previous poll, 1900. I suspect spamage.

I did find part of the previous poll quite disturbing:

quote:
Results From Our Most Recent Poll

Christianity Today Poll
Are abandonment and domestic violence biblical justifications for divorce?

Yes 57%

No 17%

Abandonment is, but domestic violence isn't. 8%

Domestic violence is, but abandonment isn't. 5%

I don't know 12%

Total Votes: 1929


Now, I'm not certain what they meant by "biblical justifications for divorce," but the fact that anyone would say that abandonment is a ground for divorce but domestic violence isn't is incomprehensible.


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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ohnhai
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Message 3 of 95 (401444)
05-20-2007 12:16 AM
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and in the short time since subbie posted it's risen to 8725 votes.

wow. the votes are rolling in.


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bluegenes
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Message 4 of 95 (401515)
05-20-2007 1:05 PM
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That's hilarious. Get in there and vote, unbelievers.
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Message 5 of 95 (401518)
05-20-2007 1:21 PM
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Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
That's hilarious. Get in there and vote, unbelievers.

What difference does it make either way if anyone votes? These polls are just for shits and giggles.

The hilarious thing to me is that more atheists, arguably far smaller in number than theists, spend more time at Christian websites than Christians do. Now, why is that?


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Message 6 of 95 (401521)
05-20-2007 1:28 PM
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis_juggernaut writes:

The hilarious thing to me is that more atheists, arguably far smaller in number than theists, spend more time at Christian websites than Christians do. Now, why is that?

Same reason as why the monkey house at the zoo is so popular.


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Message 7 of 95 (401532)
05-20-2007 2:25 PM
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis writes:

The hilarious thing to me is that more atheists, arguably far smaller in number than theists, spend more time at Christian websites than Christians do. Now, why is that?

As subbie mentioned above, it's obviously being spammed. Atheists just enjoy laughing at superstitious people.

While you're right that theists far outnumber atheists world-wide and in your country, it's getting close to equal across Europe. The U.S. is experiencing the same decline in organized superstition (religion) that seemed to start in Europe around the middle of the last century, so atheists might outnumber theists there in about fifty years' time.

I'd guess that atheists might outnumber theists worldwide sometime between the end of this century to the middle of the next. Very poor areas in the world, the "third world" are the most superstitious places, so much depends on how education and access to information improves in these areas.

How does it feel to be part of the backwards, superstitious world of the past, nemesis?


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Message 8 of 95 (401547)
05-20-2007 3:35 PM
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05-20-2007 1:21 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis_juggernaut writes:

The hilarious thing to me is that more atheists, arguably far smaller in number than theists, spend more time at Christian websites than Christians do. Now, why is that?

It's probably a mix of amusement, anger, and frustration.

As for me, I'm both amused and horrified at some things that Christians believe, and also disheartened that these people hold such power in our government. In addition, I'm irritated at how they indoctrinated me on unprovable dogma while growing up.

Atheists stalk Christian websites because they want to stop this regress of society. It also might be a form of amusement for them.

Sorry if I'm offensive, but I'm still a little bitter over Christianity.

Edited by taylor_31, : No reason given.


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Message 9 of 95 (401558)
05-20-2007 5:34 PM
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05-20-2007 1:28 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
:confused:

I'm not seeing the correlation.


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Message 10 of 95 (401559)
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis_juggernaut writes:

Same reason as why the monkey house at the zoo is so popular.

I'm not seeing the correlation.

"They're so much like us."

"They're almost human."

:)


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Message 11 of 95 (401560)
05-20-2007 5:47 PM
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
And Christians are so fond of slinging shit at atheists. :)
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bluegenes
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Message 12 of 95 (401561)
05-20-2007 5:55 PM
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05-20-2007 5:40 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
Ringo writes:

"They're so much like us."

"They're almost human."

And sometimes when you look at them, you get the impression that they might almost be capable of rational thought.:)

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Message 13 of 95 (401563)
05-20-2007 6:04 PM
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
blugenes writes:

... they might almost be capable of rational thought.

They don't seem to get our humour, though. :D


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Message 14 of 95 (401565)
05-20-2007 6:14 PM
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
As subbie mentioned above, it's obviously being spammed. Atheists just enjoy laughing at superstitious people.

Well, as long as we're all being mature about the whole thing :rolleyes:

While you're right that theists far outnumber atheists world-wide and in your country, it's getting close to equal across Europe.

Europe is nearly all secularized, and of those people that aren't, the "believers" tend to be very lukewarm and ill-informed about what they believe in. In other words, many of them believe in God because the just kind of grew up in it. In nearly all of European cities, the large ornate cathedrals are now defunct, especially in places like Caimbridge. Most of them have been converted to museums or art galleries. At most, they serve as step into the past mindset of that particular country or city.

The U.S. is experiencing the same decline in organized superstition (religion) that seemed to start in Europe around the middle of the last century, so atheists might outnumber theists there in about fifty years' time.

I'm almost certain that will happen, since my "superstition" has already prophesied about a great apostasy that will come upon most of the world in the latter days.

But I won't be around to see how it ends... that is, according to my "superstition."

Very poor areas in the world, the "third world" are the most superstitious places, so much depends on how education and access to information improves in these areas.

Education is different from indoctrination. It would be well with us all to know the difference.

How does it feel to be part of the backwards, superstitious world of the past, nemesis?

It feels wonderful and disheartening all in the same breath, friend. Wonderful because I know the Truth, disheartening because other people resist it.

Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : Edit to add and fix italics


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Message 15 of 95 (401568)
05-20-2007 6:28 PM
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Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
I'm both amused and horrified at some things that Christians believe, and also disheartened that these people hold such power in our government.

So, you want to take away people's religious freedoms? People with clout can only maintain secular ideas? That sounds a bit fascist don't you think?

In addition, I'm irritated at how they indoctrinated me on unprovable dogma while growing up.

Some say the same thing about evolution.

Atheists stalk Christian websites because they want to stop this regress of society. It also might be a form of amusement for them.

And yet they don't stalk Hindu or Sikh websites. Why do you suppose that is? They all teach exclusivity just as Judeo-Christian worldview does. Why then are they more concerned with Judeo-Christian ideals?

Sorry if I'm offensive, but I'm still a little bitter over Christianity.

That's alright. I charge Christians with the bulk of the damage to Christ. But I'm not here to follow Christians, I'm here to follow Christ. Imagine if I forsook the whole message just because some people don't get it. Imagine if I called Einstein a moron just because some people misunderstood Special Relativity.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience growing up. It always pains me to hear that, whether its wholly true, by their own design, or a slight/gross embellishment. But I've never really understood why nuns rapping kids on the knuckles translates into: There is no God.


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