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Author Topic:   "The Blind Watchmaker" - my critique
Mirabile_Auditu
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Message 1 of 12 (254616)
10-25-2005 12:03 AM


If the Administration wants this formated "more readable" than this, the Administration can either format it or delete the post.
quote:
“The living results of natural selection overwhelmingly impress us with the APPEARANCE OF DESIGN . . . the ILLUSION OF DESIGN AND PLANNING.” - Page 21
“We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully ”designed’ to have come into existence by chance.” - Page 43
Mirabile Auditu: First, these wondrous things about us only "appear" to be designed and planned.
How is it then that they are "too improbable and too beautifully 'designed' if they have only the "appearance"?
Well, it's "EVOLUTIONISTS" having it both ways, rather like gradual, step-by-step evolution when needed, and punctuated equilibrium... when.... needed. Cambrian Bang!
quote:
“You and me, the most complicated things in the known universe.” - P 127
MA Responds: "Complicated" but not "designed."
The Space Shuttle is profoundly complicated, and designed.
The computer I am using to post this is likewise profoundly complicated, and designed.
quote:
“Whenever I read such a remark (as the impossibility of believing in evolution), I always feel like writing ”Speak for yourself’ in the margin.” - P 127
MA Responds: (Let me return the favor. On P 160, Dawkins writes, ”Our minds can’t cope with the large distances that astronomy deals in, or the small distances of atomic physics...” SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. Dawkins: “Our minds can’t imagine a time span as short as a picosecond.’ SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.
Dawkins: ’Our minds can’t imagine a timespan as long as a million years...’ SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.
quote:
P. 163: “Our own subjective judgement about the plausibility of a theory of the origin of life is likely to be wrong by a factor of a hundred million."
(SPEAKING FOR HIMSELF.)
quote:
Dawkins: “When we read in a newspaper about an amazing coincidence . . . we are more impressed by it than we should be.”
(SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.)
quote:
P. 105: “There is a considerable surplus of humans.”
(SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!)
quote:
“Measuring the statistical improbability of a suggestion is the right way to go about assessing its believability. Indeed it is a method that we shall use in this book several times. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT.” Page 41
MA Responds: (Emphasis added, again. If there is ONE thing Professor Dawkins does NOT do right, it is measuring the statistical improbability. He defines one chance in 10exp40 as “impossible”, and then says one chance in a universe full of numbers is “possible”. But a critic’s idea is impossible at one chance in 10exp301. Science turned on its head for evolution.)
quote:
“I don’t know who it was first pointed out that, given enough time, a monkey bashing away at random on a typewriter could produce all the works of Shakespeare.” Page 46
Mirabile Auditu responds:
No it couldn’t. Not ever, ever. Dawkins provides his own proof, contradicting himself yet again:
From P. 315: “Dover’s alleged rival to natural selection could never work, not just never in a million years, but never in a million times longer than the universe has existed, never in a million universes each lasting a million times as long again.” The reference is one chance in 10 to the 301 power. Our Shakespeare typing monkey far exceeds such impossible odds in trying to type merely the first 301 letters of the FIRST PAGE of the FIRST BOOK of Shakespeare, or one chance in 26 letters to the 301 power.
quote:
“ . . . all 10 million copies of the New Testament could simultaneously dance upon the surface of a pin’s head.” - Page 116
MA: Isn't science amazing! Ten million copies of the New Testament, "dancing." (SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!)
quote:
“Modern DNA replication is a high-technology affair, with elaborate proofreading techniques that have been perfected . . .” - Page 129
MA Responds: : "High-technology," but certainly NOT "designed," if Richard is to be believed.
quote:
“Given infinite time or infinite opportunities, anything is possible.” - Page 139
MA: Dover's alleged rival to natural selection "couldn't work," but "anything is possible."
No, that's not remotely true that "anything is possible. Because:
1. There is not "infinite time. The clock began ticking a few billion years ago.
2. There are not "infinite opportunities." There are only about 10exp80 fundamental particles in the universe.
So Darwin's two fundamental premises are demonstrably false, but then even if they were not, his conclusion based on them would still be false. Some "EVOLUTIONISTS" call this "science." Why the certainty that "anything is possible" when Carl Sagan said, "In science, almost nothing is known for certain except mathematics."
quote:
(Our ”maximum amount of luck’) is one chance in 10 to the 20th power. - Page 146
MA: In fact, if one propounds anything with far slimmer chances than this, "EVOLUTIONISTS" will dismiss its improbability with a wave of their hand, and sniff, "IT COULD happen!"
quote:
“ . . .it is possible for a marble statue to wave at us. It could happen....It is theoretically possible for a cow to jump over the moon with something like the same improbability.” - Page 160
"inch by million year inch" - Page 176
"explosive evolution" - Page 215
Mirabile Auditu responds:
I couldn't take any more of his silly self-contradictions.
I perused the final scores of pages and returned this silly book to the library, where it gathers dust today.
quote:
Evolutionists “despise so-called scientific creationists”. - Page 230
"redneck creationism" - Page 251
"naive bible thumper" - Page 316
Mirabile Auditu concludes:
Please have one of Dawkins' apologists put his final hateful, condescending remarks into proper context. I'm sure he meant nothing but the highest respect for...."rednecks" and "bible thumpers"..... like the scientists who signed the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism, some of whom are atheists.
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Message 2 of 12 (254618)
10-25-2005 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Mirabile_Auditu
10-25-2005 12:03 AM


Please format more readably
The quotes that are not yours are probably best put this way:
quote:
Dawkins quote
Use the Peek button at the lower right of this post to see how that is done.
There are a number of problmes with this as a "critque" but I'm sure many will point them out after it is promoted.

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Mirabile_Auditu
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Message 3 of 12 (254620)
10-25-2005 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
10-25-2005 12:11 AM


Re: Please format more readably
"PEEK" is foreign to me.
When I hit "EDIT" the "PEEK" option disappeared.
Why is this so user-unfriendly?
Other websites making quoting others quite easy.

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Message 4 of 12 (254628)
10-25-2005 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Mirabile_Auditu
10-25-2005 12:37 AM


Re: Please format more readably
Just hit the peek button before you edit and learn how to quote.
You could also go to the help that is next to dBCodes On (when you are editing.
The quote I exampled was done by:
[ quote ] stuff quoted [ /quote ]
But without the spaces in the [ ]

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Message 5 of 12 (255051)
10-27-2005 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Mirabile_Auditu
10-25-2005 12:37 AM


Re: Please format more readably
Hi, I'm Percy, I write the board software.
Mirabile_Auditu writes:
Why is this so user-unfriendly?
Other websites making quoting others quite easy.
Almost all boards have the [quote] code, which is what this board uses. In addition, this board provides the [qs] code, which provides a prettier rendition of a quote.
Some boards, like vBulletin, allow you to highlight a section of text and then click on a quote button, automatically placing quote codes around the text at the cursor position in the message box. Maybe that's what you're thinking of. This isn't too hard to implement, but I haven't done this yet.

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Mirabile_Auditu
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Message 6 of 12 (255057)
10-27-2005 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Admin
10-27-2005 8:57 AM


Re: Percy, please enforce your "RULES" or discard them
Percy, if you wrote the "RULES" then why don't you enforce them?
Ad hominems seem perfectly acceptable to your administrators provided they are heaved at "fundies."
Don't like being personally attacked, stupid fundie?
Deal with it. RAZD's critiques are, after all, profound, brilliant, salient, and most agreeable to the, um, administrators.
Tell me, is there one administrator who is not in RAZD's evolutionist camp? As if I didn't already know the answer.
Please read Bernard Goldberg's book, "Bias." It perfectly describes the mentality of the Left in the media and in here.
My post is eminently readable as it is. Besides, folks like me are not welcome here. You have jointly made that quite clear, notwithstanding the occasional "welcome" to the contrary.

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Message 7 of 12 (255122)
10-27-2005 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Mirabile_Auditu
10-27-2005 9:11 AM


Re: Percy, please enforce your "RULES" or discard them
Hi Mirabile_Auditu,
As I said, I write the board software, and I was trying to provide you assistance in using the board's quoting features. Do you still need help with this?
The moderator team, of which I'm a member, is responsible for formulating and enforcing the rules. You seem to prefer operating from a position of continuous outrage. If you wish to be treated more politely then I suggest you tone it down a few notches. I can't very easily assign victim status to someone who's giving as good as he gets.
Minor grammar fix. --Admin
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Mirabile_Auditu
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Message 8 of 12 (255700)
10-30-2005 9:31 PM


DISHONEST ADMIN
ADMIN WROTE:
quote:
Hi Mirabile_Auditu,
As I said, I write the board software, and I was trying to provide you assistance in using the board's quoting features. Do you still need help with this?
The moderator team, of which I'm a member, is responsible for formulating and enforcing the rules. You seem to prefer operating from a position of continuous outrage. If you wish to be treated more politely then I suggest you tone it down a few notches. I can't very easily assign victim status to someone who's giving as good as he gets.
Your dishonesty is reprehensible.
I have been called vile names by your members who, among other things, said that my posts were not worth reading or even refuting.
HOWEVER they went to considerable lengths to discover more about me and make vile personal accusations that were as vicious as they were dishonest. I shall not dignify them by repeating a word of such hateful lies.
You have since prevented ME from further posts, but your dear friends such as RAZD continue to post at will.
Your dishonesty is typical of the Left.

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Message 9 of 12 (255701)
10-30-2005 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Mirabile_Auditu
10-30-2005 9:31 PM


Re: DISHONEST ADMIN
You have since prevented ME from further posts,
That is not quite true. What we have done is stopped you from starting new threads. You are still able to respond to posts.
Continued nonsensical and argumentative posts WILL lead to additional restrictions however.

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    AdminPhat
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    Message 10 of 12 (256015)
    11-01-2005 11:24 AM
    Reply to: Message 6 by Mirabile_Auditu
    10-27-2005 9:11 AM


    Conversation can only occur with respect
    Mirabile writes:
    folks like me are not welcome here. You have jointly made that quite clear, notwithstanding the occasional "welcome" to the contrary.
    I would agree that statements, beliefs, and attitudes that are forceful, prejudiced, and disrespectful are NOT welcome here. Care to calm down and discuss why you feel the way that you do? We have no reason to let a ranting person of ANY ideology loose on our boards. Its not personal and its not political. Its just polite and rational.

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    Mirabile_Auditu
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    Message 11 of 12 (259491)
    11-14-2005 12:35 AM
    Reply to: Message 10 by AdminPhat
    11-01-2005 11:24 AM


    Re: "With respect" - HA !
    AdminNosy:
    quote:
    He called your arguments light weight.
    In my opinion he then demonstarted that he was correct. Until you clean up your opening post, invite him to repost his criticisms and show that both he and I are wrong there is no ad hominim. (sic)
    If you can't take a bit of heated debate then find somewhere else to post.
    Light weight (sic) is one word, not two. Ironic that you should side with your friend RAZD8 in calling me "lightweight" and then you misspell not just that word but also "ad hominim" (sic) as well as "critisms." (Closed thread, post 2 of 7 dated 10-27)
    You characterize your friend's ad hominem as "a bit of heated debate" but my rebuttal is intolerable here in Leftist Land.
    It's all so predictable, and offensive, and anti-intellectual.
    "It is safe to say that anyone who doesn't believe in evolution is either ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked." - Richard Dawkins
    I'm sure Dawkins meant that "with respect."

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    Message 12 of 12 (259526)
    11-14-2005 3:50 AM
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    11-14-2005 12:35 AM


    Re: "With respect" - HA !
    Im closing this one down! No explanations are needed. Discipline is an act of Love!

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