jesus out of wedlock?

I wiil delve here into the realm of blasphemy to see what the consensus is.Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just [man], and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.This really strikes me as the words describing Mary as being pregnant by another man before her and Joseph consumated their relationship.In order to avoid disgrace they agree to use the notion of divine pregnancy (you would think Holy Ghost would know how to use a condom.)and in this way gain a respect of sorts that would serve them since I am sure the consequences would otherwise be extreme.One last thought (for now) what exactly happened to all the descedants of Mary and Joseph? You would think that they would keep a running record at least even if they had to be secretive to avoid prosecution.After all it would be highly prestigious to be in direct line to the mother of Jesus right?

I'm not sure hwat would give you the idea that she was impregnated by another man before marriage. It seems as though it is clear that it is from the Holy spirit. I believe that back then it was a public disgrace to have kids out of wedlock, and i believe that Joseph had the right to have her disgraced in public in front of everyone for committing adultrey ( and maybe get stoned, I cant think if they still did that to adulturers then)"you would think Holy Ghost would know how to use a condom"
That is one of the most horrible blaspheme things I've heard in a while. Wow."One last thought (for now) what exactly happened to all the descedants of Mary and Joseph? You would think that they would keep a running record at least even if they had to be secretive to avoid prosecution.After all it would be highly prestigious to be in direct line to the mother of Jesus right?"I believe they all died. LOL. It was not important to keep a Genealogy after Jesus's birth, as much as it was to keep it before his birth. To show that he is the King of the Jews (King of KIngs) and that he is in David's line, fulfilling the davidic covenant. You need to be careful not to lift Mary up as an Idol. She was obedient, but God could of carried his plan out with someone else.------------------
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I'm not sure hwat would give you the idea that she was impregnated by another man before marriage.

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Well, she was pregnant before she got married, and magic being the cause is a whole lot less likely than another penis.Jewish records/tradition have Mary being impregnated by a Roman soldier. No webpage found at provided URL: http://abbc.com/judaism/jesus.htm

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I believe they all died.

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That the Holy Ghost (why the distinction between that and God I do not know)was able to impregnate a female human leaves open huge questions of veracity. I mean do we honestly believe that these simple people whom, we are often reminded in these forums ,are not as sophisticated as you and I ,were none the less unable to distinguish between a normal human pregnancy and one by an incorporeal being?[This message has been edited by sidelined, 10-14-2003]

To bump or not to bump that is the question.Are there any myths previous to jesus that has a pregnancy between a god and a human female?

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Are there any myths previous to jesus that has a pregnancy between a god and a human female?

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Have you not read a single Greek myth? Let's see...Dionysus was born of Zeus and Semele, Helen (originally of Sparta but famous as "Helen of Troy") and the twins Castor and Pollux were born was Zeus and Leda, Persus from Zeus and Danae, and of course, Heracles from Zeus and Alcmene. And that's just Zeus' kids. Apollo had his own kids born of mortals, too. Phaeton was born of Apollo and Clymene (and appears to be an adapted Ethiopian myth).Speaking of Dionysus, he has a resurrection myth attached to him, too, as does Osiris. The concept of a child of god, born of woman, tortured on earth, killed, and resurrected is much older than Jesus.------------------
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I forgot to ask something else concerning Matthwew 1:18-20.Jesus is not in blood line from David(unless the holy ghost counts) and was there not a prophesy requiring this to be fulfilled?

I am going to bump this in the hopes that this point can be resolved for me by more learned mindsMatthwew 1:18-20.Jesus is not in blood line from David(unless the holy ghost counts) Was there not a prophesy requiring this to be fulfilled?

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Curious, but what is the oldest known historical documentation of these 'myths' (written than is).cheers

Oh please, greek mythology is far more ancient than xianity. I mean, for God's sake, the Helen reference comes from the Illiad (which is likely based on earlier stories), which is from somewhere around the 8th century BC. Likewise, we only know of the story of Osirus and the stories associated with him from ancient Egyptian paintings and engravings on ancient structures.------------------
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My precise question was in reference to the documentation of the greek myths.I assume you and Rrhain are pretty clued up on this, so I'm asking who put the greek myths down in writing and at what date in history was this documented.thanks.

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I assume you and Rrhain are pretty clued up on this, so I'm asking who put the greek myths down in writing and at what date in history was this documented.

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There are lots of them. Greek mythology suffers from a "which version did you have in mind?" problem. The population of Greece was of city-states and while they often shared mythologies, they put their own spins on things.One good reference is Hesiod's Theogony. Hesiod was writing in the 8th century BCE and his Theogony is a fair repository of the history of the gods, starting with Chaos, going through the generations, and even getting into a list of goddesses who bore children of mortal men and mortal women who bore children of gods.For a good list of ancient authors and how much we owe of our knowledge of Greek mythology to each other, see here: Ancient Authors & WorksThe big one is Apollodorus who covers everything from the beginning of time to the Trojan War. However, he was writing in 100 CE.Aeschylus, Aristophanes, Euripides, Herodotus, Pindar, Plato, and Sophocles (and I chose them because you've probably heard of them) were all writing about the 5th century BCE.Homer was about 750 BCE.------------------
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