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jar
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Message 1 of 20 (124510)
07-14-2004 3:23 PM


The Senate showed its wisdom by defeating the "Gay Marriage Ban".
Link to news story

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Message 2 of 20 (124513)
07-14-2004 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
07-14-2004 3:23 PM


Voters in a dozen states will be able to vote in ballot initiatives in November that propose amending state constitutions to define marriage as a union of one man and one woman and most if not all are expected to pass.
Not entirely sure how great the news is, but at least the Senate tossing it aside is a good sign.

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On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief.
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears"
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coffee_addict
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Message 3 of 20 (124528)
07-14-2004 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
07-14-2004 3:23 PM


At least the devil is defeated this time. This is very good news. There is still a chance I could marry Bryce

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Message 4 of 20 (124531)
07-14-2004 4:45 PM
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07-14-2004 3:23 PM


Even beyond the gay-bashing (which is bad enough), did anyone notice something disturbing even the more "liberal" amendment? If the constitution amendment were adopted, each state supreme court would be forbidden from ruling that barriers to gay marriage would violate that state's constitution.

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DC85
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Message 5 of 20 (124748)
07-15-2004 3:31 PM


I was watching this on C-span2 (the debates). The republicans came up with some REAL stupid reasons.
"Allowing gay marriage will erode the traditional family" and "People won't want to get married anymore" etc... They also where showing charts of current marriage and divorce rates....
Where did they get this crap from? It doesn't make sense.... (My wife was getting pissed off at me ... I was yelling at the TV again)

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Message 6 of 20 (124753)
07-15-2004 3:38 PM
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07-15-2004 3:31 PM


quote:
"Allowing gay marriage will erode the traditional family" and "People won't want to get married anymore"
Funny article making the internet rounds. (I don't know the original source.)
How my Marriage was Destroyed by the Homosexual Agenda
- a really very truly honest testimonial
by Eve Angelico
Once, I was a happy woman.
I was a mother. I had two wonderful children who knew how to behave themselves: Constance and Aaron.
I was a wife. My husband, Christian, was a good solid man I could count on.
That was just a few months ago. How could we have known, back then, that our blissful family would soon be torn apart forever by the forces of Satan?
Oh, as I look back on it now, I can see that there were signs, like when Mr. Penderglass down the street started wearing teal, or when attendance at the Boy Scouts pack meeting started going down, or when Father Hanlon, who holds mass down at the All Souls Grace Blessing Rosary of Our Lady of the Aching Lower Back Cathedral started a midnight solo boy's glee club, with rehearsals in room 204 at the Motel Six. At the time, of course, I just thought it was God working in mysterious ways.
If I had to choose one moment when my denial finally started to crumble, it would be the time when I found a smudge of bright red lipstick on the front pocket of Christian's best short-sleeved white wrinkle-free Sunday dress shirt. You see, every night when Christian comes home from work, I greet him at the door with a nice kiss on the cheek. The thing is, I only wear purple shades of lipstick, ranging from a light violet to a medium mauve. A few years ago, the Mary Kay representative on my block let me know, confidentially, that anything outside of this color range would be considered indiscreet, given my complexion. I don't even own any red lipstick. Too much red can give men the wrong idea.
Well, I was pretty upset seeing that red lipstick on my husband's collar. I confronted Christian that very evening, right after I kissed him at the door and brought him his evening glass of beer.
He didn't deny anything. He told me that had spent the afternoon in an alley, french kissing a woman named Tanya he had met in a tavern, after getting drunk on Schlitz malt liquor using money he had withdrawn from our children's college fund.
When I demanded an explanation, he looked at me with a confused expression on his face and asked me, "Haven't you heard that the Supreme Court in Massachusetts has said that it's legal for gay couples to get married?"
Suddenly, everything became clear.
I ran across the living room and fell into the Lazy Boy where Christian was sitting, and threw my arms around him. "Oh, you poor baby," I cried. "You must feel awful! Why didn't you just call me to let me know?"
Christian gazed deeply into my teary eyes. "What's the point of being honest with each other anymore, honey, now that gays can get married in Massachusetts?"
"Do you mean to say..."
"Darling, let's admit it. Our marriage is over."
To hear these words from my husband was a difficult thing. The more I thought about it, though, the more I realized that I just didn't care about him anymore, now that gay people were going to be getting married. The love was gone, thanks to that damn homosexual agenda.
I was about to ask Christian if he would like to experiment with some non-traditional lifestyle choices when I heard the front door opening. It was the kids coming home from school! How would we break it to them?
Aaron set down his backpack to kiss me on the cheek. He was wearing a navy blue blazer with a matching tie, ornamented only with an American flag lapel pin. "Gosh mom," he said as he passed us by on the way to change into his Eagle Scout uniform, "what a long day at school! Still, I know that the Lord wants us to study hard so that we can read the Bible."
As Constance walked into the kitchen, her ankle-length grey flannel skirt brushed up against Christian's wrist, and I saw his cheeks grow red. "Hey, honey," he leaned over to whisper, "Now that we're going to get a divorce, do you mind if I ask Constance to go out with me to the drive-in tonight? I promise I won't go past third base until she's ready."
What the hell, I thought. Sure, she's our daughter, but now that gays are going to be allowed to get marriage licenses in downtown Boston, all concepts of morality are destroyed, and it doesn't really make a difference anymore. I wondered to myself which of my neighbors' houses would be the easiest to break into - I needed a cup of sugar.
Constance turned on the radio in the kitchen to the Christian AM station we always listen to, and that's when our family's fate was finally sealed. The Lord's news update was saying that gay people in San Francisco were being allowed to get married right then and there!
Constance turned around suddenly, with a strange look on her face that I had never seen before. All of a sudden, she started running towards the front door, ripping off her clothes. The last I saw of her, she was skipping down the street, wearing nothing but a flower in her hair, screaming, "I'm sexually promiscuous now! Does anyone want to have some casual sex so that I can get a sexually transmitted disease and then have an abortion?"
Aaron came downstairs with a hurt and confused look on his face. "Golly," he whispered to Christian, "do you think that Constance has been influenced by the 1960s culture of permissiveness?"
Christian frowned and said, "Son, all that you need to know that gay people are getting married in San Francisco."
Immediately, Aaron ripped the merit badges from his uniform and threw them on the floor. "Fucking shit, Mom," he said to me. "I guess I'd better drop out of school and join a gang of juvenile delinquents."
"Okay," I said, feeling all my parental authority melting away, "But try to be home before midnight. We'll be getting Cinemax now, and I'll bet there will be a really sexy and violent movie on after prime time. Maybe we can even illegally record it on our VCR."
Aaron told me to shut up, then burped and walked out the door.
Christian and I sighed. It was hard to say goodbye to him, but I knew the time had come. The homosexual agenda had succeeded in destroying our family, even though we had been happy, secure, and God-fearing just a few hours before.
Who knows what will happen next? I suppose that as the news of gay marriages in San Francisco spreads, everybody in town will be getting divorced.
I'm not sure where I'll end up, of course, but I'm taking my first steps in this new world shaped by homosexuality. I suppose I'll have to become a lesbian now. I've put in a call to the local Lions Club asking if they know about where I can get in touch with a baby-killing satanic cult in our area, and I've cancelled the check I wrote last week to the Christian Coalition.
To think that it all could have been different, if gay people had just left well enough alone and not wanted to get married.
This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 07-15-2004 02:45 PM

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief.
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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coffee_addict
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Message 7 of 20 (124818)
07-15-2004 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dan Carroll
07-15-2004 3:38 PM


Hahahahahaha! That's pretty funny.
The truth of the matter is every time there is a social change like this (slavery ended, blacks allowed to vote, schools desegregated, women allowed legal equality, women allowed to vote, etc...) there is always a group (almost always right-wing ultra-conservative, usually religious) that opposes it, declaring that whatever this most recent change is will result in the end of civilization and life as we know it.
Well, we are still here. Life changed for the better!

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Rrhain
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Message 8 of 20 (124928)
07-16-2004 4:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
07-14-2004 3:23 PM


jar writes:
quote:
The Senate showed its wisdom by defeating the "Gay Marriage Ban".
Yes, but the House is losing its mind. Since the Destruction of Marriage Amendment was defeated, the House is now looking to shore up DOMA by applying Article III, Section 2, clause 2 to it whereby Congress declares that it is beyond jurisdiction for the courts.
The House Judiciary Committee is considering three pieces of legislation, the A3S2C2 bill, a bill that will prevent the District of Columbia from recognizing same-sex marriage, and a bill that would prevent DC from implementing a domestic partnership program.
DeLay, who sponsored the new bills, said that he was afraid that by the time the Destruction of Marriage Amendment could get passed and ratified, the SCOTUS would strike down DOMA.
The bills only require simple majority of the Congress in order to take effect.

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arachnophilia
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Message 9 of 20 (124945)
07-16-2004 5:48 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dan Carroll
07-15-2004 3:38 PM


well, that was preposterous.
however, it's also decptive. you see, this statement tells me that a MAN wrote it:
quote:
Too much red can give men the wrong idea.
no woman would ever blame rape on makeup. ask... well, any woman.
however, this statement:
quote:
anything outside of this color range would be considered indiscreet, given my complexion.
tells me that it was written by a GAY man. so, there you have it!
my guess is "christian" found another man.

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Syamsu 
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Message 10 of 20 (125008)
07-16-2004 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
07-14-2004 3:23 PM


I think a next step may be that conservatives decide to do away with state-marriage altogether, because they don't like it anymore. This would be in the selfish interest of churches I think, because couples will then turn to the church more to give their commitment credibility to society in general. They would get a lot more business if statemarriage was done away with.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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coffee_addict
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Message 11 of 20 (125009)
07-16-2004 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Syamsu
07-16-2004 1:13 PM


Did I just read what I read?

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jar
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Message 12 of 20 (125011)
07-16-2004 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Syamsu
07-16-2004 1:13 PM


Actually, in the US there is no form of marriage other than what you seem to be calling state marriage. To get married, you get a license from the state. To get divorced, you get a judge to sign a divorce decree.
You can hold the ceremony in a Church if you want, but even there the authority comes from the state.
edited to fix spelling
This message has been edited by jar, 07-16-2004 12:19 PM

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Message 13 of 20 (125217)
07-17-2004 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dan Carroll
07-15-2004 3:38 PM


Thanks a lot, Dan! I thought it was funny enough to post it in another forum, and they banned me. Apparently, there were more anti-gay people there than I thought.

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Message 14 of 20 (125220)
07-17-2004 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by coffee_addict
07-17-2004 1:32 AM


I thought it was funny enough to post it in another forum, and they banned me.
Oo, link please. Seeing ignorant bigotry in action is as interesting as a train wreck. I just can't look away!

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coffee_addict
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Message 15 of 20 (125223)
07-17-2004 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
07-17-2004 1:52 AM


Well, it's not the people there that asked for me to be banned. It's a mod. He hasn't explained why and I don't intend to find out. I've been an outstanding member of that arachnopets place since it openned up 4 years ago. To ban me without an explanation is... you pick the right word.
They can't charge me for spamming because I posted it in an off-topic forum and I've been posting about 1 post per day. They can't charge me for bad language because I copied and pasted the material... there's not that much bad language on there anyway. Beside those 2 points, I can't imagine anything else that is severe enough to get me banned.
Anyway, after 4 years there, I'm done with that place. As far as I'm concern, I haven't been given a third, second, or first warning. To ban without a warning or explanation is not an action of a righteous moderator.
I am still an arachnid hobbyist regardless.

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