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RAZD
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Message 1 of 7 (240368)
09-04-2005 10:16 AM


Interesting reading, from "The Rise Of The Fourth Reich" (click)
Everyone likes to say, "Hitler did this", and, "Hitler did that". But the truth is Hitler did very little. He was a world class tyrant, but the evil actually done by the Third Reich, from the death camps to WW2 was all done by German citizens who were afraid to question if what they were told by their government was the truth or not, and who because they did not want to admit to themselves that they were afraid to question the government, refused to see the truth behind the Reichstag Fire, refused to see the invasion by Poland was a staged fake, and followed Hitler into national disaster.
When Hitler requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under German law, but powers Hitler claimed he needed to have to deal with the "terrorists", the German people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, agreed. The temporary powers were conferred, and once conferred lasted until Germany itself was destroyed.
When Hitler staged a phony invasion from Poland, the vast majority of the German people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to Hitler's deceptions, did not question why Poland would have done something so stupid, and found themselves in a war.
Tyrants become obvious only when looking back, after what they have done becomes known. The German people did not stand up to Hitler because their media betrayed them, just as the American media is betraying the American people by willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional role as watchdog against government abuse.
If one thinks about it long enough, one will realize that all tyrants, past and most especially present, MUST use deception on their population to initiate a war.
Well written (as compared to some I have seen) and strong parallels. The fact that the emphasis is on the behavior of the people and not on the leadership puts this in a different league than simply comparing President Botch to Hitler
They say we get the government we deserve ... and that those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.
Enjoy
This message has been edited by RAZD, 09*04*2005 10:18 AM

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by our ability to understand
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Message 2 of 7 (240372)
09-04-2005 11:10 AM
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09-04-2005 10:16 AM


The Bush Agenda
Few political dynasries rival that of the Bush family. George Sr. was a 33rd degree Mason, an initiate in several "secret" rites of a mysterious group of political-econmomic organisations. He headed the C.I.A., notorious for U.S. secrecy during the Cold War.
He entered Operation Desert Shield (Later changed to Storm) to protect U.S. and British oil interests. His son, Dubya, became president through one of the most controversial Supreme Court decisions in History. Even today, the issues of Supreme Court judicial nominees remains a central rift between the Republicans and the Democrats.
Finally, from a religious angle, the fundamentalist prophetic interpretations describe the anti-christ as a man of peace WHO deludes the entire world.
As we have discussed before, Jesus Christ would not do what the far Right has been doing. When Iraq was invaded, the people in business who were conservatives turned a blind eye toward what was really going on. Just as in Nazi Germany, our nationalism and patriotic pride, (falsely tied in with a fake Christianity)led us into war aginst a majority of the worlds ideologies(population-wise.) We signed treaties with our former enemies who became reluctant allies, just as Hitler did.
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We are not National Socialists, but we are a type of National Capitalist. We would kill for cheaper oil. We fiend for it...and the people blindly follow this policy.
So yes, I see some similarities.
This message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-04-2005 09:11 AM

A youth is a person who is going to carry on what you have started. He will assume control of your cities, states, and nations. He is going to take over your churches, schools, and corporations. You may adopt all the policies you please, but how they are carried out depends on him. So it might be well to pay him some attention.
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Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them.

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RAZD
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Message 3 of 7 (240384)
09-04-2005 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Phat
09-04-2005 11:10 AM


Re: The Bush Agenda
Another point of this view is that it doesn't need Botch to become the dictator, that can come later (who will be their next candidate?), particularly if they control the electoral process.
Yes the economic system of Nazi Germany was corporatism ... unlike the US?
Wasn't daddy bush in the CIA when JFK was killed?
{cue X-files theme}
This message has been edited by RAZD, 09*04*2005 12:57 PM

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Message 4 of 7 (240388)
09-04-2005 1:08 PM
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09-04-2005 11:10 AM


Re: The Bush Agenda
quote:
We are not National Socialists, but we are a type of National Capitalist.
Don't take names too seriously. Remember that the "Socialism" in National Socialism was a cynical attempt to appeal to the German workers. Once in power, the Nazis not only banned the Communist and Social Democrats, but they liquidated their own paramilitary wing, the "Brown Shirts", partly because important leaders in the SA were taking the "Socialism" bit too seriously.

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Message 5 of 7 (240707)
09-05-2005 8:43 PM
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09-04-2005 1:08 PM


Re: The Bush Agenda
Given the probability of 200 billion more dollars spent on war and at least that much more on future natural disasters in the next five-ten years, what happens if the economy hyperinflates?
Will we become a bunch of second class citizens like most of Britain?
The wealthy elite will leave everyone behind, and the poor masses will struggle to take our economic place.

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arachnophilia
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Message 6 of 7 (240710)
09-05-2005 8:58 PM
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09-04-2005 11:10 AM


Re: The Bush Agenda
We are not National Socialists, but we are a type of National Capitalist.
so were they, actually.
nationalism + capitalism = fascism.

אָרַח

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Message 7 of 7 (240711)
09-05-2005 9:00 PM
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09-04-2005 1:08 PM


Re: The Bush Agenda
Don't take names too seriously.
yeah, for instance, we have a conservative party that is not for smaller government or conservative values, republicans who don't stand for a republic, democrats who don't support true democracy, and liberals who are for government regulations.
names don't mean a damned thing.

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