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RingoKid
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Message 1 of 36 (106743)
05-09-2004 7:26 AM


Is it just to save bandwidth or do you mods just have too much time on your hands and nothing better to do ???
why not let anyone post a topic and let natural selection determine those threads worthy of survival ???
Idle hands make the devils work...I like devils they make us angels look good and keep us in employment

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Message 2 of 36 (106753)
05-09-2004 9:15 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
RingoKid
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Message 3 of 36 (106828)
05-09-2004 6:27 PM


funny that...
you saw fit to move it but not to answer it...
...Only reason i can think then is that this is your personal heaven so you guys can play GOD and not answer our prayers
way to halt species development and not widen the genepool guys, pretty soon you'll be the only ones posting cos no newbie will even have the time to read thru the Commandments of posting and replying
so much for evolution...
<<(edit)>>
see i didn't even know there was a forum for this and now that i'm here there has already been a thread all about this so I come off lookin like ass...heh heh not that i care
seems there's too many forums so a lot of what's being said ends up being said all over again in different places and frankly I just don't have the time to browse all threads.
So in my opinion policing the many gates of heaven gives you something to do but if there were less gates then we the people could find our own way around a lot easier...
This message has been edited by RingoKid, 05-09-2004 05:42 PM

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SRO2 
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Message 4 of 36 (106849)
05-09-2004 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by RingoKid
05-09-2004 6:27 PM


Re: funny that...
Ya' sound bitter. I said the same thing thing at first, on the other hand I have yet to find a reasonable objection to rationale provided for rejecting posts. As long as there is room for disagreement on rationale for rejection, I have seen nothing thus far except the moderators trying to assist in the developement of a good product.
The new topic proposals are out in the open for everyone to review, few have been rejected, and those were for concise cause, and they allow for discussion foe or against their opinions.

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wj
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Message 5 of 36 (106856)
05-09-2004 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RingoKid
05-09-2004 7:26 AM


Ringokid, the current process was put in place in response to a spate of spamming involving starting numerous pointless or irrelevent new threads. Why sould board resources be used up for the amusement of a few stupid or malicious individuals?
The current system seems to be working. Please point out any specific problems with examples. Talk about "thought police" is cheap.

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Chiroptera
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Message 6 of 36 (106858)
05-09-2004 7:48 PM
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05-09-2004 7:46 PM


Yes, I complained about the new system at first, but it has now been fixed so that when a thread is finally approved we don't get a bunch of "Closed Thread" topics in the topic list. I am much happier about it now.

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Message 7 of 36 (106865)
05-09-2004 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Chiroptera
05-09-2004 7:48 PM


Chiroptera writes:
quote:
but it has now been fixed so that when a thread is finally approved we don't get a bunch of "Closed Thread" topics in the topic list.
I admit I've been gone for this transition so I don't know if it was worse, but I still see the "Closed Thread" topics in the topic list.

Rrhain
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RingoKid
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Message 8 of 36 (106943)
05-09-2004 11:44 PM


bitter ???
no just can't be bothered wasting time on the net going thru a selection panel and vetting process on what threads would make interesting discussion...
..."thought police" as in regulating what we can think or talk about, yeah cheap but kind of apt though
have you seen in the proposed new threads section there's lots of "no sorry not defined enough" , "no sorry not much thought" in my experience on boards it's hard enough getting the lurkers to post let alone start a thread and to have to go thru the board of control is just plain scary
how many rejected threads before people will just go ahhh stuff it, I'll just go talk smack sumplace else??

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Message 9 of 36 (106946)
05-10-2004 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by RingoKid
05-09-2004 11:44 PM


how many rejected threads before people will just go ahhh stuff it, I'll just go talk smack sumplace else??
And that is a disadvantage or something to be dearly hoped for?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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SRO2 
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Message 10 of 36 (106947)
05-10-2004 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by RingoKid
05-09-2004 11:44 PM


Why are you afraid?
Run away like the scared little chickenshit you are then...or stand up and fight.
Rocket, you are in violation of the guidelines. Your permission to post in this forum (Suggestions and Questions) is revoked. Your text has been blocked out to be white on white.
You may email administrators with a request to be restored, along with an indication that you understand the guidelines about respect for other members of the forum. (Guideline 3 in Forum rules.) My own email seems to be down at present; but you could also post to Free For All, where you can acknowledge this and request reinstatement, or else flame the moderators if that is your preference.
AdminSylas
This message has been edited by AdminSylas, 05-09-2004 11:38 PM

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Sylas
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Message 11 of 36 (106948)
05-10-2004 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by RingoKid
05-09-2004 11:44 PM


Here is a comment from one admin... (using my normal posting identity)
This approvals system is an experiment. It has taken a bit of time to iron out some glitches, and there are still a couple of outstanding problems (mainly from the perspective of admins). The problem of closed threads in the message list is still not fully resolved; but it is a lot better than it was.
My perspective is that it has been mostly a success; but I am very interested to hear criticisms. I am not sure exactly what RingoKid sees as the main problem.
On the one hand, there is the time delay factor. That problem will most likely remain. Depending on the time of day, it will take anything from a few minutes to several hours or more before a thread is reviewed.
On the other hand, there is the question of thought control.
The main reason for rejecting posts is violation of forum rules. Another effect is that new posts get a bit of formatting feedback before coming on-line. I'd really like to hear more from people who have had a new thread delayed for a while while they make some changes. Has this is a nuisance? Or have you appreciated the chance to make the suggested changes?
I'm not aware of a serious problem with moderators enforcing what people should think. I am very much against any such effect. On the other hand, I have recently rejected a topic which was simply not relevant to any of the main forums or to anything associated with evolution/creationism; this is a slightly different matter and I thing nipping such distractions in the bud is a benefit.
Cheers -- Sylas

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SRO2 
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Message 12 of 36 (106950)
05-10-2004 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Sylas
05-10-2004 12:13 AM


It doesn't matter.
As long as "proposed" topics are openly displayed, and there is a format for rebuttal of denial for discussion of a topic...there should be no question.
The Admins can be overruled if the audience is there for a topic.

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SRO2 
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Message 13 of 36 (106953)
05-10-2004 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by SRO2
05-10-2004 12:06 AM


Re: Why are you afraid?
I disagree.

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RingoKid
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Message 14 of 36 (106970)
05-10-2004 1:14 AM


dam...did rocket just go flame on and get burnt ???
now I'm curious as to what brought the dreaded white marker of death out...
My point is for the average newbie or forum user they are hardly likely to propose a thread for fear of it getting rejected. Most peeps are already so insecure about whether any one will reply to their threads anyway and while it might be okay for regular users and hardened forum sluts to have their thread subject to review I don't think it is going to bring any fresh meat to the slaughter house with the result being things might just get a bit stale round here real fast

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Sylas
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Message 15 of 36 (106980)
05-10-2004 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by RingoKid
05-10-2004 1:14 AM


RingoKid writes:
My point is for the average newbie or forum user they are hardly likely to propose a thread for fear of it getting rejected. Most peeps are already so insecure about whether any one will reply to their threads anyway and while it might be okay for regular users and hardened forum sluts to have their thread subject to review I don't think it is going to bring any fresh meat to the slaughter house with the result being things might just get a bit stale round here real fast
I see your point; but I'm not actually sure it is really happening like that. Most moderators try to be encouraging of newbies; and the post approval system has potential to be a real help to get their topics off to a good start. Moderators are actually more gentle with badly presented material than the regular users, in many cases. One of the reasons for introducing this idea was a perceived problem with new low quality threads.
There is also a potential problem with users who register for the sake of making a topic on their own pet hobby horse, but who are not actually likely to stick around. Slowing down the approval of such posts is a big plus, in my opinion.
It may be no bad thing for newbies to join in for a while as regular posters before they start posting new threads. Of course, that is not a restriction. Any new user can submit a topic anytime.
PS. You can use the edit button to see the original source of any message, including tags added to white out a block of text. Dragging mouse over blocked text to highlight it may also reveal what is best unseen. Thanks to rocket for alerting us to a problem in the permission restrictions system. I think it may be fixed now. It will be hard to test, since he has just been banned completely (again), though not by me, after a post in another forum indicating that he still does not understand the guidelines at all.
Cheers -- Sylas
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