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Rrhain
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Message 1 of 256 (141785)
09-12-2004 2:54 PM


Lysimachus tried to hijack my previous topic regarding the artistic traditions of various culture pre- and post-flood, so I respond here.
From Message 86 of my previous thread, Lysimachus writes:
quote:
I am 100% certain we have Noah's Ark
Then bring it forth. If we have it, where is it? This would make international headlines. You'd have every museum in the world beating down your door to have it in their collection.
So stop beating around the bush and bring it forward.
quote:
and there is no way you are going to get around it.
In other words, you've closed your mind to any outside evidence. You have your answer and will refuse to consider anything that contradicts it.
What would be the point in discussing this with you?
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I want you to scientifically prove to me that that boat shaped object is not Noah's Ark.
What "boat shaped object"? Where is this object? No, not a picture from a satellite. I'm talking about the actual object. When I was at the National Archaeological Museum in Athens, the statues were standing in front of me. When I was at the Acropolis, I touched some of the herms from the area. We found them, picked them up, and put them on display for everybody to see.
Where is this phantom "ark" of yours? And if nobody has ever managed to get to it and bring it down for analysis and study, how on earth do you know that it is NOAH'S ark?
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I guarantee you Rrhain, we found the Ark
So you can show it to me.
Where is it?
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and if you want so badly for their to not be a God
Who said I was an atheist?
Just because I don't believe in your god doesn't mean I don't believe in any god?
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So I'm waiting for your first questions/reasons why you think we have not found the Ark.
Because we don't have a physical object. Where is it? In what museum? Who are the curators?

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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Message 2 of 256 (141786)
09-12-2004 2:55 PM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
joshua221 
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Message 3 of 256 (141850)
09-12-2004 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rrhain
09-12-2004 2:54 PM


http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-03.htm
A link to maybe show you some "suppossed" evidence of the actual boat.
Check it out, I have no idea to how true the evidence is.
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-07.htm
Look.
This message has been edited by prophex, 09-12-2004 06:41 PM

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Ephesians 5:14

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Prince Lucianus
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Message 4 of 256 (141851)
09-12-2004 7:37 PM


I believe Lysimachus gave a long post concerning the ark somewhere.
He could link to it, so to prevent posting it again.
Lucy

  
joshua221 
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Message 5 of 256 (141852)
09-12-2004 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by joshua221
09-12-2004 7:32 PM


Trying to paste picture here.
Can't, How can I?

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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CK
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Message 6 of 256 (141889)
09-12-2004 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by joshua221
09-12-2004 7:32 PM


Without being rude - it's horseshit - Ron Wyatt was a total fraud.
People are generally equally split between him being mentally ill (and actually thinking the stuff he made up was real) or just a very good con man.
Check out my Jesus's blood thread from a little while back - (Ron claimed to have found the blood of Jesus).
Here's a few things to be ready for in any thread about Ron Wyatt:
1) Evidence that nobody can find again - evil people steal it or Ron misplaced it.
2) Unnamed experts: In one classic exchange, one support of the fraud wyatt tried to cite the evidence of an expert who he could not name or even did not know if he really existed - we got this classic quote:
"There is nothing wrong with claiming an archaeologist said something--even if he does not reveal his name."
3) Attempts to "big up" wyatt rather than the evidence - lots of "he was brave/amazing" etc.
4) Attempts to fudge the subject by discussing his other frauds.
We have seen it all before and we will see it all again....
This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 09-12-2004 07:22 PM

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joshua221 
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Message 7 of 256 (141892)
09-12-2004 8:24 PM
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09-12-2004 8:21 PM


Hmm, How old is he, this is fasinating!
"We have seen it..."
I haven't!
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Ephesians 5:14

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jar
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Message 8 of 256 (141897)
09-12-2004 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:24 PM


Ron Wyatt is daid. And most likely in Hell.
As research on your own, go to Ron's site and look up the analysis of the rivet from the Ark. It's worth it for a laugh.
Now two questions.
What lab did the analysis of the alleged rivet?
How the hell did Noah get Titanium? During the Bronze age?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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CK
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Message 9 of 256 (141899)
09-12-2004 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by joshua221
09-12-2004 8:24 PM


Heh - OK, one I missed - watch out for really really long posts off certain people trying to fudge the issue....
Wyatt shuffled off a few years ago.
In regards to Jesus's blood (another of his frauds):
http://EvC Forum: Blood of Jesus -->EvC Forum: Blood of Jesus

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Minnemooseus
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Message 10 of 256 (141947)
09-13-2004 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
09-12-2004 8:30 PM


Composition of the "rivet"
I know the "rivet" chemical analysis was posted somewhere at , but I'm not up to tracking it down right now.
When I first saw the analysis, I wondered how it compared to the analysis of the areas rock. I suspect you could easily get a few percent TiO2 from a rock analysis.
Moose

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Message 11 of 256 (141953)
09-13-2004 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by CK
09-12-2004 8:32 PM


T O P I C !!
There is no need to discuss blood in this thread unless it happens to be Noah's blood.

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Rrhain
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Message 12 of 256 (141956)
09-13-2004 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by joshua221
09-12-2004 7:32 PM


prophex avoids my question.
I didn't ask for a "rivet" that supposedly came from the ark.
I asked for the ark, itself. If we know where it is, then there would be absolutely no shortage of people willing to donate time, money, materials, and effort to excavate it and carefully catalog each and every piece so that it could be reconstructed in a safe, secure museum environment and subjected to analysis.
And still the question remains: How does one come to the conclusion that this is Noah's ark? Was there a "Made by Noah" signature somewhere on the interior? Graffiti on the inside from when Shem was grumbling about how he had to muck out the "large ruminant 'kind'" stables again?
Where is the ark?
quote:
I have no idea to how true the evidence is.
(*blink!*)
You did not just say that, did you?
You provided a source without having any concept of its usefulness? You make a claim and you have no faith in the validity of your supporting documentation?
Why on earth should anybody listen to anything you say when you freely admit to having no confidence in its justification?

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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CK
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Message 13 of 256 (141977)
09-13-2004 5:06 AM
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09-13-2004 1:50 AM


Re: T O P I C !!
Noted M'lud - the other thread goes to character and was not offered for discussion.
I'll move on to evidence item b.... "What it's been lost?"

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joshua221 
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Message 14 of 256 (142191)
09-13-2004 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Rrhain
09-13-2004 1:59 AM


quote:
Where is the ark?
The source showed timber framings of some sort, I'm pretty sure.
quote:
I have no idea to how true the evidence is.
Mainly because I wasn't at the site. (not the website)
quote:
You provided a source without having any concept of its usefulness? You make a claim and you have no faith in the validity of your supporting documentation?
Usefulness isn't what I was talking about, truth is what I was referring to. Also I haven't seen the threads where (charles knight) there were things about how untrue wyatt is... This happens a lot apparently. The whole hovind thing... Right now I'm not to sure, I mean insults and laughs usually don't sway me to believe wyatt isn't worth looking into.
quote:
Where is the ark?
Stop playing gotcha! lol just kidding,.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 15 of 256 (142192)
09-13-2004 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
09-12-2004 8:30 PM


quote:
Ron Wyatt is daid. And most likely in Hell.
o
(I'll edit in the response to two questions in a little bit.)

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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