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Message 1 of 4 (225614)
07-22-2005 11:59 PM


Creationist professor Marvin Lubenow contends in his 2004 edition of "Bones of Contention" that all neo-Darwinist theories about the origins and evolution of the human race are a scientific form of racism. Being somewhat familiar with the several claims, arguments and ramifications of his thesis, I am prepared to discuss, debate and defend his claim that neo-Darwinist theories of human origins and evolution are theoretically racist should anyone care to discuss, debate and defend evolutionist theories to the contrary.

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07-23-2005 7:52 AM
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That's pretty sketchy. Could you write a paragraph or two outlining how Lubenow reaches that conclusion? Also be aware that EvC Forum has in the past been very circumspect in hosting threads about racism, and that therefore it is possible your thread, even though satisfying the Forum Guidelines, might not be released.

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07-24-2005 1:01 AM
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Hello Percy:
Thanks for the advice. I know that both evolutionism and racism are highy debatable and 'hot' topics so I feel it is in our common interest to know that Lubenow adequately documents, demonstrates and clarifies his distinctions between charges of scientific racism against a "theory," the theorists, and all followers of, believers in, and supporters of, the "theory."
Neither Lubenow nor I would dare to accuse any posters on this forum of harboring racist views or of being racists themseleves. Since Lubenow speaks so eloquently for himself in his 2004 edition of "Bones of Contention," I would only use his basic theses as the basis of support for my own interpretation, understanding and presentation of the inherent racial implications in neo-Darwinst theories of the human race's evolution out of non-human African primates.
Since we both know that the topic can be 'touchy,' I will keep my posts in context with the following interpretation of Lubenow's theses:
Neo-Darwinst theories about the origin and evolution of species are a form of scientific racism when applied to any or all members of the human race because dividing and separating our human ancestors into different species reduces and degrades them to an inferior and unequal biological status regarding their natural human capacity of inter-fertility, sexual reproduction and breeding with all other members of the current human race.
It is a form of scientific racism to theorize that Middle Eastern and European Neanderthal people and Homo erectus people in Asia and Africa were not fully human but were rather an evolutionary subspecies of humanity which became extinct. (Sub-humanism) To be fully human as a race or species means being capable of inter-fertility with all other people.
It is racial and scientific prejudice against people of Middle Eastern, European and Asian descent when theories of evolution deny their Neanderthal or Homo erectus ancestry and insist on substituting an African line of descent for them today. Since evolutionists maintain that Neanderthals and Homo sapiens both evolved from H. Erectus, either in Europe or Africa, there is no scientific reason or justification to assert that Homo erectus people in Asia were not the ancestors of today’s Asian people. All changes in human skull shapes, sizes and structural facial contours may be attributable to the passing of the Ice Age and the advent of current climatic conditions around the world.
It is a racist scenario to theorize that both European and Middle Eastern Neanderthals and Asian Homo erectus types of people were eliminated and replaced by more highly evolved Homo sapiens who originally migrated from Africa and didn’t or wouldn’t interbreed with other humans simply because evolutionists label them as a separate species of humans who couldn’t sexually reproduce with other humans even if they wanted to.
It is a form of scientific racism against people of Muslim, Jewish and Christian ancestry and descent who believe that some human ancestors were descendants of Abraham and that all of their human ancestors were descended from Noah's family, to theorize that Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus Christ shared common genealogical ancestry with a mythological Homo sapiens woman named Eve in Africa who is theoretically associated, identified, categorized and classified with a species of hon-human primates who are then also claimed to have evolved from some other non-human "species" in Africa.

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07-24-2005 2:05 AM


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