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Brian
Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 1 of 10 (21097)
10-30-2002 9:31 AM
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Heres a question that I think needs answering. Did God ask Mary if she wanted to concieve or did he just plant the wee jesus genome in her without her consent? Its difficult to imagine that the saviour of all mankind was the result of a pregnancy in which the mother had no say. ------------------ Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!
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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 6502 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: 08-09-2002
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Message 2 of 10 (21099)
10-30-2002 9:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Brian 10-30-2002 9:31 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Brian Johnston: Heres a question that I think needs answering. Did God ask Mary if she wanted to concieve or did he just plant the wee jesus genome in her without her consent? Its difficult to imagine that the saviour of all mankind was the result of a pregnancy in which the mother had no say.
Why would god care? She was just a silly rib of man anyway? {UBB quote structure fixed - Adminnnemooseus} [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 10-30-2002]
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 3 of 10 (21101)
10-30-2002 9:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by Mammuthus 10-30-2002 9:45 AM
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But didnt jesus elevate the status of these ribs ? ------------------ Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!
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nos482
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Message 4 of 10 (21103)
10-30-2002 10:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Brian 10-30-2002 9:31 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Brian Johnston: Heres a question that I think needs answering. Did God ask Mary if she wanted to concieve or did he just plant the wee jesus genome in her without her consent? Its difficult to imagine that the saviour of all mankind was the result of a pregnancy in which the mother had no say.
Women of the time had very little say at all since they were concidered nothing more than property and the bearers of a man's seed and of course the cause of the so-called fall of man. It has only been very recently that they have even been thought of as a person at all. Of course she didn't consent, her permission was not needed since she had no say in her own body. Or as the anti-abortionists say, "The good old days." [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-30-2002]
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Karl
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Message 5 of 10 (21106)
10-30-2002 10:20 AM
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And yet Jesus initially entrusted the news of His resurrection to women. Be that as it may - the only thing we have to go on is Luke's Gospel, for what they may be worth historically. And that's ambivalent on your question - on the one hand the Angel says "X will happen, you will Y". On the other, Mary says OK to it. What if she had said "you must be joking?" We really have nothing but speculation on this one.
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John
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Message 6 of 10 (21108)
10-30-2002 10:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Karl 10-30-2002 10:20 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Karl: We really have nothing but speculation on this one.
Three nuns are in a car wreck and go to heaven. At the gates, they are stopped and told thye must take a quiz. The first was asked the name of Christ's father. She answered and was let through the gate. The second nun was asked the name of Christ's mother. Likewise she answered and was let into heaven. The third nun was asked what Mary said when first approached by the angel concerning her being the mother of God. She paused and said, "My, but that's a hard one..." She was let in. -- adapted from The Vicor of Dibley.
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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 6502 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: 08-09-2002
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Message 7 of 10 (21113)
10-30-2002 10:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Brian 10-30-2002 9:56 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Brian Johnston: But didnt jesus elevate the status of these ribs ?
******************* Homer says..mmmmmmm ribs Actually, your original question suggests that christianity is based on coerced sex....guess the commandment that prohibited that originally was on the stone tablet moses dropped.
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 8 of 10 (21116)
10-30-2002 11:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 4 by nos482 10-30-2002 10:16 AM
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quote: Originally posted by nos482:
quote: Originally posted by Brian Johnston: Heres a question that I think needs answering. Did God ask Mary if she wanted to concieve or did he just plant the wee jesus genome in her without her consent? Its difficult to imagine that the saviour of all mankind was the result of a pregnancy in which the mother had no say.
Women of the time had very little say at all since they were concidered nothing more than property and the bearers of a man's seed and of course the cause of the so-called fall of man. It has only been very recently that they have even been thought of as a person at all. Of course she didn't consent, her permission was not needed since she had no say in her own body. Or as the anti-abortionists say, "The good old days." [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-30-2002]
LOL think my g/f will fall for that one ? ------------------ Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!
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nos482
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Message 9 of 10 (21117)
10-30-2002 11:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Brian 10-30-2002 11:20 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brian Johnston: LOL think my g/f will fall for that one ? [/B][/QUOTE] It was too late once they got the vote and were declared persons.
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 10 of 10 (21118)
10-30-2002 11:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Karl 10-30-2002 10:20 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Karl: And yet Jesus initially entrusted the news of His resurrection to women. Be that as it may - the only thing we have to go on is Luke's Gospel, for what they may be worth historically. And that's ambivalent on your question - on the one hand the Angel says "X will happen, you will Y". On the other, Mary says OK to it. What if she had said "you must be joking?" We really have nothing but speculation on this one.
HI Karl, It appears that almost all of christianity is based on speculation. No one knows for sure where jesus was born, or when he was born, they have no records of any deeds he done between the ages of 12 and 30, his trial is a complete mess, no one knows when he was crucified, no one knows when he was buried and finally there are no possession of this god-man anywhere to be found. I wish i had that much faith. Best Wishes Brian ------------------ Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!
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