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Author Topic:   What constitutes Intelligent design?
sidelined
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01-07-2008 10:49 PM


It comes to my attention in looking over the many posts in the forum that IDist and creationist claim that where there is design there must be a designer. It strikes me that in none of these claims for design being prevalent everywhere no one states what constitutes design.
In other words by what criteria do you tell something is not designed?
I submit that the appearance of design that objects acquire is no more than a consequence of a balance of the undirected forces at work upon these items.This is consistent with what we observe. When we manipulate metals, for instance, to produce something we can observe the changes produced through our actions and we can explain how these manipulations occur.
The structure of the world and the life therein obey the four known forces of nature {strong ,weak, electromagnetic and gravitational forces}. I would say that design by an entity must show a mechanism by which these four forces can be manipulated.
In no way is there evidence that these forces are manipulated by unknown entities nor any hypothesis brought forth to claim they are.
SO is there a mechanism that IDist's or creationists can bring forth to explain their claims that objects are designed by an intelligent means?
Also, it would be good to have them explain what designed the complexity behind the intelligence they invoke as necessary to explain the complexity of the world.
Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

"Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere."
Albert Einstein

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Message 2 of 4 (447076)
01-07-2008 11:46 PM
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01-07-2008 10:49 PM


Some examples please
I think, sidelined, that you need some examples of objects to be classified. You might also give your own answer as to how you would distinguish designed from not designed.
Maybe you should, as Ned was elsewhere, give your definition of design to solicit the definition form others.
(This would go into ID I presume)

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sidelined
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Message 3 of 4 (447367)
01-09-2008 1:52 AM
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01-07-2008 11:46 PM


Re: Some examples please
AdminnNosy
I have edited the original post. Is it up to muster or shall I add some to it?

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01-09-2008 1:57 AM


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