NosyNed has been having a bit of a clash with Buzsaw on the topic title matter.
Here NosyNed replies to a Buzsaw message (I quote the entire message):
NosyNed writes:
Buz, you use ID creo together a lot. This is another reminder that as the words are commonly used they are NOT the same thing.
As a default the creos are young earth, no evolution biblical literalists who, among other things do not think we are evolved animals.
As an official positions the ID movement does not argue with the age of the earth, agrees with most of evolution and that we are evolved animals.
These are hardly compatible positions. You might want to stop trying to be wishy washy and trying to avoid appearing to disagree with any of them. You can't have it both ways.
As I see it, there are two primary expounders of ID creationism. They are Michael Behe (Darwin's Black Box) and the Discovery Institute.
Behe admits to accepting the vast bulk of mainstream evolutionary thought, including a 4.5 billion year old Earth and a common ancestor for humanity and the modern great apes (Reference: Kenneth Miller: Finding Darwin's God).
Or as NosyNed puts it - "As an official positions the ID movement does not argue with the age of the earth, agrees with most of evolution and that we are evolved animals."
On the other hand, as I understand it, the Discovery Institute is quite vague in regards to how it's position fits into the larger picture (ie. They have no young Earth vs. old Earth position).
I will run with the idea that Michael Behe is the prototypical ID creationist. As such I would call him a theistic evolutionist.
My fundamental assertion is "ID Creationist" = "Old Earth Theistic Evolutionist".
I believe this should be filed in the "Intelligent Design" forum.
Moose
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