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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 1 of 99 (566882)
06-28-2010 12:12 PM


Where are all the gods?

Why is there not a single god knocking about today?

Not one. Out of all the thousands.

Don’t tell me they’re doing important work behind the scenes, unsung heroes and all that. You know, and I know, that they love all the Glory.

We’ve had cameras for nearly 200 years now, and movies for over 100 years. We have 24/7 global media. Why are they all wasting this fantastic photo opportunity? Just think of the sort of figure they could command from Hello magazine.

They could even have their own ring tones.

WHERE ARE YOU, GODS?

YOU REALLY DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE MISSING!


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Message 2 of 99 (566900)
06-28-2010 1:24 PM


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3 of 99 (566904)
06-28-2010 1:50 PM
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06-28-2010 12:12 PM


We’ve had cameras for nearly 200 years now, and movies for over 100 years. We have 24/7 global media. Why are they all wasting this fantastic photo opportunity? Just think of the sort of figure they could command from Hello magazine.

Well, in all fairness, my idea of a God wouldn't include a petty, human emotion like vanity. Which is precisely why I object to the bible's version of jealous God who wants to hog all the glory. That seems so out of place with a perfect God who is complete within itself.

WHERE ARE YOU, GODS?

Nietzsche is dead -- God


"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." – Blaise Pascal
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Message 4 of 99 (566908)
06-28-2010 2:04 PM
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06-28-2010 12:12 PM


Under Your Nose
WHERE ARE YOU, GODS?

Cooooeeeeee.

I'm here!!!


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Message 5 of 99 (566909)
06-28-2010 2:05 PM
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06-28-2010 1:50 PM


Well, in all fairness, my idea of a God wouldn't include a petty, human emotion like vanity. Which is precisely why I object to the bible's version of jealous God who wants to hog all the glory. That seems so out of place with a perfect God who is complete within itself.

Why do you think that any god that might actually exist would adhere to your personal expectations?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 6 of 99 (566911)
06-28-2010 2:46 PM
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06-28-2010 2:05 PM


Why do you think that any god that might actually exist would adhere to your personal expectations?

*shrugs*

For all I know god is up there now throwing a temper tantrum. I guess there is something about perfection that strikes me as being at odds with petty human behaviors


"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." – Blaise Pascal
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Rahvin
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Message 7 of 99 (566912)
06-28-2010 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-28-2010 12:12 PM


Oh, gods definitely exist...
I have one locked in my closet.

I'd show it to you, but it's invisible.

And silent.

And no, you can't just throw flour on it to see it - it's permeable to flour.

Yes, and your hand.

Yes, that too. You know what? It's intangible.

But it's there. I know it's there because it perfectly matches my own concept of what a god should be. And it totally helped me with my server upgrade over the weekend, which was totally due to the assistance of my pet god, and had nothing to do with the hours of preparation and planning I spent beforehand. That totally proves that it's there. I can feel its love for me and its intent to help me, and I totally said "thank you" and everything.

Besides, almost everybody in the world believes in some kind of god, so obviously my pet closet-bound god must exist.

I'm absolutely certain that its still in my closet, waiting to imperceptibly alter reality such that things go my way at my request. Well, okay, so sometimes it says "no," and things don;t go my way. And sometimes its nemesis, the deity Murphy, just makes things not go my way too. I mean, my pet god could totally beat Murphy in a fight, but sometimes he lets Murphy take a swing at me, just to test my faith. No, I totally don't think that's absurd, insane, or cruel. I mean, he has to do the reality-warping imperceptibly, and that means he HAS to sometimes not warp reality just to keep up appearances - it would be too obvious is everything always went my way. The world has to totally look exactly the way it would look if he wasn't there, otherwise he wouldn't be able to require faith!

See? Definitely a god in my closet. After all, you can't prove it's not there, and logically self-consistent ideas that have not been falsified are possibly true and therefore it's totally rational to be confident that they are in fact true simply due to personal preference. I know, 'cause RAZD told me so.

And the Christians all tell me that faith is the evidence of things unseen, and the proof of things hoped for. I totally hope there's a god in my closet who warps reality in respose to my eager prayers, so my faith is actually evidence that it's there! See? I really do have a god in my closet!

He totally wants to let all of us live in Disney World forever after we die, too (Disney World is way better than Disney Land), all you have to do is acknowledge that he's really in my closet. But don't let him catch you suggesting that he might not exist. I already proved it, and deep down you know he's there, so doubt is really just letting Murphy deceive you from the truth. And if Murphy can deceive you like that, then you get trapped in a Teletubbies episode for all eternity. Not even different ones - it's the same episode, forever. Like Groundhog Day, except less funny, with fewer ground-swelling future-telling mammals and more weird toddler-things with bizarre antennas on their heads and TVs in their abdomens. And wouldn't you much rather bet on my closet god and maybe get into eternal Disney World than risk getting stuck in Teletubby-hell?

See? My closet got totally exists. I proved it! I mean, not conclusively or anything, you still need faith. But even though my evidence doesn't compel you to believe in my deity, it does allow you to believe, and don't you really want to, anyway? Reality-warping in response to prayer, somebody who cares, and a free ticket to eternal Disney World, remember! I'm going to ride "It's a Small World" infinity times!


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Message 8 of 99 (566914)
06-28-2010 3:04 PM
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06-28-2010 2:46 PM


I guess there is something about perfection that strikes me as being at odds with petty human behaviors

Have you read the Old Testament?


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Message 9 of 99 (566917)
06-28-2010 3:20 PM
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06-28-2010 2:46 PM


"True Perfection Has To Be Imperfect"
"True Perfection Has To Be Imperfect" - Noel Gallagher

For all I know god is up there now throwing a temper tantrum.

Or serenely wanking himself into blissful oblivion. Who knows?

I guess there is something about perfection that strikes me as being at odds with petty human behaviors

Most of the gods of history have exemplified the most petty of human behaviours.

These days we project our subjective ideas of perfection onto our deities instead.


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Message 10 of 99 (566944)
06-28-2010 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-28-2010 12:12 PM


JUC writes:

Where are all the gods?
Why is there not a single god knocking about today?

Not one. Out of all the thousands.


You mean these guys?

As you can see, I even managed to take a picture of them. All you atheists out there will get that big thunderbolt up your asses.


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Message 11 of 99 (566949)
06-28-2010 7:47 PM
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06-28-2010 3:20 PM


Re: "True Perfection Has To Be Imperfect"
Or serenely wanking himself into blissful oblivion. Who knows?

Wait, I'm god?

- Oni


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Message 12 of 99 (566950)
06-28-2010 7:49 PM
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06-28-2010 7:33 PM


As you can see, I even managed to take a picture of them. All you atheists out there will get that big thunderbolt up your asses.

Those are a bunch of god-like cigarettes.

- Oni


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Message 13 of 99 (566952)
06-28-2010 7:59 PM
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06-28-2010 7:49 PM


Those are a bunch of god-like cigarettes.

Are you sure they aren't god-like inconsiderately loud motorcycle enthusiasts? I'm sure at least a few of them like leather...

But really, they don't look anything like the god I have in my closet, so they can't really be god-like. Maybe they're minions of Murphy, set in our paths to test our faith!

Demonic inconsiderately loud motorcycle enthusiasts! Or cigarettes!


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Message 14 of 99 (566971)
06-28-2010 11:04 PM
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06-28-2010 12:12 PM


The gods -- well a small number of them -- are still where they've always been: in our legends and in our mythologies. Unfortunately, most of the gods are lost to us because they only existed in oral traditions; it takes only one generation to lose an oral tradition.

Or course, we created the gods. Even if the supernatural were to exist, we wouldn't have been able to discover anything about it, so we made it up and stuff about it. Even if supernatural beings were to exist, we wouldn't have been able to discover anything about them, so we made them up and stuff about them. Even if some of those supernatural beings were to have directly communicated with someone (AKA "Revelation"), then Paine's observation would hold: Revelation is Revelation to that person only; as soon as he tells another, it becomes hear-say and when they tell a third it becomes hear-say upon hear-say. My opinion is that Revelation becomes hear-say to that first person as soon as he tries to understand it. So even if something that could be called "God" existed, we would still need to invent our own versions of "God".


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Message 15 of 99 (566973)
06-28-2010 11:24 PM
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06-28-2010 7:47 PM


Re: "True Perfection Has To Be Imperfect"
"onifire' writes:


Wait, I'm god?

Psalm 82
6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'


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