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Omnivorous
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Message 1 of 5 (582451)
09-21-2010 12:45 PM


To paraphrase Art Linkletter, sometimes science journals print the darndest things.
With some regularity, we come across instances where creationist points of view are published in peer-reviewed journals despite the lack of data or analysis. We also hear complaints from creationists about their inability to persuade peer-reviewed journals to publish their papers. Often these cases are discussed tangentially in other threads, and we see neither the controversy fully unfolded nor its resolution.
I'd like this thread to track those cases as they arise, allowing us to ascertain what facts we can about the circumstances and then to discuss issues of peer review, bias, editorial judgment, etc. I think it would be particularly useful not only to learn about controversial cases but also to track them with updates, and perhaps sift out some common elements.
For our delectation, from the Virology Journal: "Influenza or not influenza: Analysis of a case of high fever that happened 2000 years ago in Biblical time".
Tara C. Smith, an assitant professor of etiology, provides a concise summary in her Aetiology blog:
quote:
Now, regular readers will know that I normally love this type of thing; digging back through history to look at Lincoln's smallpox; Cholera in Victorian London; potential causes of the Plague of Athens, the origin of syphilis, or whether Yersinia pestis really caused the Black Plague. I've even written a bit about the history of influenza. So analysis of a 2000-year old potential flu case? Bring it on.
But. For Christ's sake (really), *bring the evidence with you.* From the article's abstract:
The Bible describes the case of a woman with high fever cured by our Lord Jesus Christ. Based on the information provided by the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke, the diagnosis and the possible etiology of the febrile illness is discussed. Infectious diseases continue to be a threat to humanity, and influenza has been with us since the dawn of human history. If the postulation is indeed correct, the woman with fever in the Bible is among one of the very early description of human influenza disease.
Infectious diseases continue to be a threat to humanity, and influenza has been with us since the dawn of human history. We analysed a case of high fever that happened 2000 years ago in Biblical time and discussed possible etiologies.
OK, so they set up their premise. Fine, I'm on board with that, though it's obviously always a bit of a problem when using English translations of the Bible. Still, I'm all about checking out the descriptions, which include a high fever, being bed-ridden, and, oh yeah, that Jesus cured her, upon which time she "rose up and ministered unto them."
That's the extent of the information.
From this, the authors conclude that the fever must have been influenza. Their rationale? Well, they exclude bacterial septicemia because "the fever retreated instantaneously. This implies that the disease was probably not a severe acute bacterial infection (such as septicemia) or subacute endocarditis that would not resolved [sic] instantaneously."
Seriously. I'm not even sure what to do with this. From the wording of the abstract, it very much appears that the authors are Christians--so are they saying that Jesus could not have miraculously cured a bacterial infection, but he could have done so for flu? Or that the flu, on its own, resolved the instant Jesus stood over/touched the ill woman, without any divine intervention?
In the comment section at Prof. Smith's blog, Virology Journal's editor-in-chief responds:
quote:
As Editor-in-Chief of Virology Journal I wish to apologize for the publication of the article entitled ''Influenza or not influenza: Analysis of a case of high fever that happened 2000 years ago in Biblical time, which clearly does not provide the type of robust supporting data required for a case report and does not meet the high standards expected of a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Virology Journal has always operated an exceptionally high standard of thorough peer review; this article has clearly not met these thresholds for balance and supporting data and as such, the article will be retracted. I should like to apologize for any confusion or concern that this article may have caused among our readership, or more widely.
Whilst only ever intended as an opinion piece and also a bit of relief from the ‘normal’ business of the journal, the speculations contained within this article clearly would be better expressed outside the confines of a peer-reviewed journal. Biomed Central does not support any views outlined in this article.
Posted by: Robert F. Garry, PhD
So was this a case of a casual "bit of relief" being taken too seriously by its detractors?
Should peer review (apparently it was recommended by 2 of 2 reviewers at this BioMed journal) have prevented publication?
Were the authors naively engaging in a bit of historical speculation (Did arsenic kill Napoleon?) and science guys are overreacting--or were they sneaking the creationist camel's nose into the scientific tent?
I'd say either Creation/Evolution in the News or Is It Science?
NB: I follow her blog, and you should, too.

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Message 2 of 5 (582475)
09-21-2010 2:18 PM
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09-21-2010 12:45 PM


Let's focus on one article
I'd like this thread to track those cases as they arise, allowing us to ascertain what facts we can about the circumstances and then to discuss issues of peer review, bias, editorial judgment, etc. I think it would be particularly useful not only to learn about controversial cases but also to track them with updates, and perhaps sift out some common elements.
A big part of the "Proposed New Topic" (PNT) process is to have focus in the message 1. That at least gives us a starting point to try to have focus in the topic as a whole.
I'd like to discuss the one individual case first. Perhaps we can diversify the topic later, or start new topics for new articles. What you are proposing will result in a jumble of messages as new articles are introduced but older messages are still responded to.
Please modify your message 1, including having a specific relevant topic title. When done, please post a "changes done" type response to this message.
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Message 3 of 5 (582479)
09-21-2010 2:33 PM
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09-21-2010 2:18 PM


Thanks but no thanks.
Well, with all due respect, your proposed changes would eviscerate my intentions for the thread--focus is good, but not when it narrows so much we miss the larger view.
Nor do I see the single case in hand as being weighty enough to carry a thread on its own.
I appreciate the thoughtful sincerity of your response, but...never mind.
No harm, no foul: I enjoyed the process.

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Message 4 of 5 (585676)
10-09-2010 9:20 AM


Wounded King requested promotion of this thread in his Message 306, and Adminnemooseus seems to be otherwise occupied at present, so I'll promote this thread to Is It Science? and we'll see how it goes. I understand the concern about the potential to end up discussing any and all topics related to the creation/evolution controversy, and so I request that the participants keep the primary focus on issues regarding the publication process rather than the topics of the papers themselves.
I believe Wounded King wanted to include this paper by Eugene V. Koonin in the discussion: The cosmological model of eternal inflation and the transition from chance to biological evolution in the history of life. There was some discussion about it in the Evolving the Musculoskeletal System thread, probably the best place to begin is with my deprecating comments as Percy in Message 279 and read the message chain forward.

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10-09-2010 9:21 AM


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