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Shubee
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Message 1 of 4 (482390)
09-16-2008 12:44 PM


Rethinking Creationism - Is It Possible To Remake Creationism Into A Scientific Theory?
It seems like the biggest problem with Christian creationism is the insistence by most Christians that the Christian God is the agent in the creation process. That's automatically against the rulebook in the game called science. I therefore propose replacing Christian creationism with quantum creationism, which I believe embodies the fundamentals of Christian creationism, yet can be defended as science.
Formally, quantum creationism is the mathematical proposition that there is no limit to improbability in quantum theory. Quantum creationism then is essentially just conventional quantum physics applied to unauthorized, non-textbook questions. For example, quantum mechanically, is it possible for the Red Sea to split (Exodus 14:21) and for a man to be fully formed out of the inanimate material of the earth in a single day? (Genesis 2:7).
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Genesis 2:7
"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."
Exodus 14:21
"Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD swept the sea back by a strong east wind all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided."
The answer to this question is yes. See A Scientific Theory for Creation.
The second and third fundamental assumption of quantum creationism is the theory of devolution and the postulate that the fossil record was caused by a single, fantastic, global flood catastrophe.
Most of the evidence I see purported for evolution I regard as evidence for devolution. Also, mainstream scientists are starting to lean more and more toward catastrophism. There is hard physical evidence for a global flood catastrophe. See The Fossil Record. And there is good evidence for devolution.
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Indicators for human extinction
Human telomeres are already relatively short. Are we likely to become extinct soon?
1: Cancer
Cancer incidence does seem to have increased, but it is hard to say whether this is due to longer lifespans, more pollution, or telomere erosion. The shortest telomere in humans occurs on the short arm of chromosome 17; most human cancers are affected by the loss of a tumour suppressor gene on this chromosome.
2: Immunodeficiency
Symptoms of an impaired immune system (like those seen in the Aids patients or the elderly) are related to telomere erosion through immune cells being unable to regenerate. Young people starting to suffer more from diseases caused by an impaired immune system might be a result of telomere shortening between generations.
3: Heart attacks and strokes
Vascular disease could be caused by cells lining blood vessels being unable to replace themselves - a potential symptom of telomere erosion.
4: Sperm counts
Reduction in male sperm count (the jury is still out on whether this is the case) may indicate severe telomere erosion, but other causes are possible.
Before you comment, please read Message 3 also.
Thanks.
Edited by Shubee, : No reason given.
Edited by Shubee, : Added important request to read the update in Message 3.

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Message 2 of 4 (482424)
09-16-2008 3:50 PM
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09-16-2008 12:44 PM


Though you're grouping them under the common label of quantum creationism, you're actually introducing three different topics:
  1. Quantum physics applied at the macro level.
  2. Devolution.
  3. Fossil record created by a global flood.
Please choose one of these topics, then edit your message to address that one topic. Post a note when you're done and I'll take a look.

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Shubee
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Message 3 of 4 (482729)
09-17-2008 5:25 PM


Hi Percy,
It is true that I asked if quantum physics applied at the macro level. It's also true that I thought that the mathematics of fantastic quantum improbabilities were an acceptable belief in quantum physics. My high school physics teacher, Laurence N. Wolfe, explained quantum improbability to the class. His example was there being a very small probability for all the air molecules in the classroom suddenly moving in the direction of the west wall of the room, knocking it down. I also read that same concept in George Gamow's well-known book, Mr Tompkins Explores the Atom. That link lists some favorable reviews.
A review by SCRIPTA MATHEMATICA said, "Science students will find it worth while for it is definitely a good supplement to a modern physics textbook."
A review by SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN said, "Will vastly fascinate the whimsical, and is also entirely scientific."
If there are physicists that disagree with the claims about fantastic quantum improbabilities, then that would be a side issue to the question that I'm asking here. For the sake of brevity, I wish to assume the affirming view to be correct. The opinions of dissenting physicists could be the subject of another thread, if you like.
My single question then is, given that some physicists might be correct, that fantastically improbable quantum macro events can happen, would quantum theory be consistent with the theory of devolution and the postulate that the fossil record was caused by a single, fantastic, global flood catastrophe?
I suppose that I could separate the theory of devolution from the flood postulate but it does relate directly to the fossil record and interprets it.
Ultimately however, I'd like to know if the improbability quantum postulate is consistent with the flood postulate. That's a fascinating postulate. Evolutionists readily admit to ancient catastrophes all over the planet. And geologists teach multiple mega-floods as scientific fact. Hopefully I will learn what indisputable fact prevents all these multiple mega-floods and disasters from being simultaneous events.

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09-18-2008 7:01 AM


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