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Author Topic:   Kentucky Republicans Are Idiots In Unexpected Twist
Dr Adequate
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Message 1 of 6 (670631)
08-16-2012 4:44 PM


Who'da thought it?
Kentucky's Senate Republicans pushed successfully in 2009 to tie the state's testing program to national education standards, but three years later, they're questioning the results.
Several GOP lawmakers questioned new proposed student standards and tests that delve deeply into biological evolution during a Monday meeting of the Interim Joint Committee on Education.
In an exchange with officials from ACT, the company that prepares Kentucky's new state testing program, those lawmakers discussed whether evolution was a fact and whether the biblical account of creationism also should be taught in Kentucky classrooms.
"I would hope that creationism is presented as a theory in the classroom, in a science classroom, alongside evolution," Sen. David Givens, R-Greensburg, said Tuesday in an interview.
[...]
"I think we are very committed to being able to take Kentucky students and put them on a report card beside students across the nation," Givens said. "We're simply saying to the ACT people we don't want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students' ability to do critical thinking."
[...]
Another committee member, Rep. Ben Waide, R-Madisonville, said he had a problem with evolution being an important part of biology standards.
"The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science Darwin made it up," Waide said. "My objection is they should ensure whatever scientific material is being put forth as a standard should at least stand up to scientific method. Under the most rudimentary, basic scientific examination, the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny."
I liked this bit:
Givens said he was satisfied with the response by ACT officials and state Education Commissioner Terry Holliday that evolution was being taught as a theory.
They're so stupid that their stupid cancels out their stupid.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 2 of 6 (670633)
08-16-2012 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
08-16-2012 4:44 PM


Is specifying "Kentucky" redundant?
Is specifying "Kentucky" redundant?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 3 of 6 (670634)
08-16-2012 5:07 PM
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08-16-2012 4:53 PM


Re: Is specifying "Kentucky" redundant?
Is specifying "Kentucky" redundant?
Let's be fair, there are Republicans who aren't creationists. That includes Mitt Romney, and that's probably the last nice thing I'll ever say about him.
Watch Romney saying something reasonable here.
Of course, he may be an idiot in other ways.

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Message 4 of 6 (670639)
08-16-2012 6:38 PM
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08-16-2012 5:07 PM


Re: Is specifying "Kentucky" redundant?
If asked about his belief in evolution today, now that he is actually the POTUS candidate for the GOP, do you think he would respond differently?
I think he would be really wague about the process of god, and would not really answer the question. And as election day comes closer, he will become more and more anti evolution and pro creationism.

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Message 5 of 6 (670678)
08-17-2012 8:49 AM
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08-16-2012 4:44 PM


Is it possible to find adults who are less qualified to decide what ought to be taught in a science class?
Isaac

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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RAZD
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Message 6 of 6 (670837)
08-20-2012 7:37 AM


BUMP for alpha_mailman
New member alpha_mailman (welcome to the fray btw), says
Representative Benjamin Waide and Creationism Message 1: Hi all, I was browsing the news this morning and came across a story about a state representative from Kentucky kicking up a fuss about the state being mandated to teach Evolution for the ACT. He says Creationism should its fair shake and all that.
You'll note a few gems from Representative Waide. He says Evolution is 'made up' and 'the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny.'
Now I usually don't do this, but this bothered me so much that I found his site and wrote him a message regarding why I think he's incorrect.
I also kept my adoring Facebook public informed of this. When I included a link to the aforementioned story, someone commented, asking 'Are you absolutely sure about what Darwin actually did in the process of deriving his theory? Just curious.'
I am not exactly sure how to respond to this. I'm sure that Darwin studied a bit more than snow peas and Galapos animals, but I don't want to overextend myself. Any ideas?
You may be mixing up Mendel (peas) and Darwin (Galapagos), both from about the same time period, but one having to do with hereditary traits and the other with natural selection.
Rather than supply the bare link in your post, why don't you post your pertinent points here and then we can discuss them to see if we can help.
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