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ICANT
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Message 1 of 8 (782297)
04-22-2016 3:13 AM


I would like to discuss what the Bible says about creation in comparison to what Science says about creation.
Since my arguments will be based on the Bible this will need to be placed in the Bible Study.
I would like to discuss one point at the time starting with creation according to what the Bible has recorded in it.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
This verse tells us that "In the beginning" is when the heaven and the earth was created.
YEC's tell us that was 6 to 10 thousand years ago.
Science tells us that was 13.4 to 20 billion years in the past. Some scientist have shortened the time to 8 billion years in the past.
The Bible does not say when the beginning was, just that it was. There is no verse in the Bible that says when the beginning was.
Therefore the universe could have began to exist at any point in past duration.
Thus the Bible and science agrees that the universe began to exist and it is old.
Once we have discussed what the bible says about the beginning to exist of the universe and the scientific view we can move on to how God might have accomplished that event.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 2 of 8 (782299)
04-22-2016 3:43 AM


Who cares what the Bible says? That is the Word of Man.
Here is a little song:
quote:
From desert cliff and mountaintop we trace the wide design,
Strike-slip fault and overthrust and syn and anticline. . .
We gaze upon creation where erosion makes it known,
And count the countless aeons in the banding of the stone.
Odd, long-vanished creatures and their tracks & shells are found;
Where truth has left its sketches on the slate below the ground.
The patient stone can speak, if we but listen when it talks.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks.
There are those who name the stars, who watch the sky by night,
Seeking out the darkest place, to better see the light.
Long ago, when torture broke the remnant of his will,
Galileo recanted, but the Earth is moving still.
High above the mountaintops, where only distance bars,
The truth has left its footprints in the dust between the stars.
We may watch and study or may shudder and deny,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the sky.
By stem and root and branch we trace, by feather, fang and fur,
How the living things that are descend from things that were.
The moss, the kelp, the zebrafish, the very mice and flies,
These tiny, humble, wordless things---how shall they tell us lies?
We are kin to beasts; no other answer can we bring.
The truth has left its fingerprints on every living thing.
Remember, should you have to choose between them in the strife,
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote life.
And we who listen to the stars, or walk the dusty grade,
Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made,
Or study cells, or living things, seek truth with open hand.
The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.
Deep in flower and in flesh, in star and soil and seed,
The truth has left its living word for anyone to read.
So turn and look where best you think the story is unfurled.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
Turn and look. Are you a creationist? Then tell me Who Created the Universe.
Do you want to tell me that the Bible tells us something different from what is plainly evident? Based on what?
What the universe says about what God has wrought is indisputable. Do you then wish to dispute it?

Pressie
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Message 3 of 8 (782301)
04-22-2016 5:41 AM


ICANT writes:
I would like to discuss what the Bible says about creation in comparison to what Science says about creation.
Science doesn't have anything to say about any form of religious creation.
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Pressie
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Message 4 of 8 (782304)
04-22-2016 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ICANT
04-22-2016 3:13 AM


quote:
Since my arguments will be based on the Bible this will need to be placed in the Bible Study.
  —ICANT
So, your arguments will be based on a collection of 73 books?
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Message 5 of 8 (782306)
04-22-2016 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ICANT
04-22-2016 3:13 AM


Apparently you wanted this to be treated as a topic proposal to be promoted to Bible Study, but you have begun it in the Coffee House forum instead of the Proposed Topics forum.

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Message 6 of 8 (782334)
04-22-2016 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ICANT
04-22-2016 3:13 AM


Thus the Bible and science agrees that the universe began to exist and it is old.
But science disagrees with the that very first verse in the Bible because the earth was not created in the beginning. There's billions of years between the beginning of the universe and the beginning of the earth.

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ICANT
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Message 7 of 8 (782411)
04-23-2016 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by New Cat's Eye
04-22-2016 10:40 AM


Hi Cat
Cat Sci writes:
But science disagrees with the that very first verse in the Bible because the earth was not created in the beginning. There's billions of years between the beginning of the universe and the beginning of the earth.
Genesis 1:1 Does not say the heaven and the earth were created at the same moment. It just says they were created in the beginning.
So where is the problem?
The earth we live on today had to have many growing events during it's duration in existence to get to the size it is now with all the buried materials to form the fossil fuels that are in the earth.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 8 of 8 (782421)
04-23-2016 8:37 AM


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