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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4721 From: u.k Joined: |
I thought this was a pretty good summary of the actual reality of the facts and what they really mean. (very little)
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c008.html Sure, we can quibble over the particulars but for me the point is a pretty obvious trend; that evolution is promoted but then vanquished by later discoveries. For all those who will quibble, "link got this fact wrong, link said X is so when it isn't". Yeah...you can do that if you want but still, it's just not a very convincing STORY.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Creationist nonsense. Not worthy of a reply.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 1361 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined: |
I'm afraid you have been deceived, CHRISTIAN ANSWERS is an oxymoron.
If you're to do the slightest cursory research you would see this nonsense has been refuted decades ago.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 1361 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined: |
Double your pleasure.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 1 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Dammit, Mike! You have been here a very, very long time to still be barfing up nonsense like this! Nebraska man? Really?
"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken
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Tangle Member Posts: 8547 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Oh hello, Micky's back knocking on the door, throwing dog turds into the room, then running away laughing and telling all his mates at EFT what a blast he's having winding up all those non-believers at EVC
It's getting tedious Micky, how long are you going to stick around this time making a smell before you run away again without answering anything or learning anything? Don't you feel a fraud churning out the crap that even you know is crap? It's just narcissism isn't it? Do you come back here and read your posts and think how clever you are? I don't suppose you care much what we think about you and your fake arguments, after all that's not the point is it? But you and your kind are doing a lot of harm to your belief system by your egotism, disingenuity, and, let's be frank, plain lies. When are you going to get real with us Mike? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Modulous Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 7789 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
quote: Is it nearly complete or are there missing links? quote: How can missing links be 'proof'? quote: Except the ones that have been documented. quote: That is tautological. The links that are not missing are just links. quote: 150 years ago we didn't know about helium, the germ theory of disease, weather forecasting, Maxwell relations, Rayleigh Scattering, oceanography, Boltzmann equations, the photoconductivity of selenium, thermionic emisisons, Mycobacterium leprae, heroin, DDT, Antarctica, Bacillus anthracis, silent dog whistles, telephone communication, Phobos and Deimos, Iguanadon, scandium, Venn diagrams, piezoelectric effects, the transmission of yellow fever, that squaring the circle is impossible, cathode rays, protons or the function of the pancreas. quote: An ancestor to orangutans. A view held for like 50 years. quote: Yes, and it would have proven a challenge to the biogeographical evidence for the evolution of humanity. So thank goodness modern science was capable of understanding its true nature. quote: Was not accepted by scientific consensus and was definitively rejected within a few years. quote: Since humans are apes, our ancestors must be very ape-like, or even apes themselves.
Evolution is still accepted as the explanation for the diversity of apes and hominids. It has not been vanquished.
If you want a story, go pick up a story book. In the meantime scientists will continue to attempt to reconstruct natural history. The Great Apes (Hominidae) appear about 15mya We know, given fossil scarcity of hominids, we aren't likely to find direct ancestors which we can be 100% confident are direct ancestors. But we've do have a fair amount of information on how the hominid branch of apes changed over time leading us to the modern extant groups of gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans and the explanation for these changes has remained consistent for over 150 years: they evolved.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5111 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
This nonsense again? I first read it in 1970 in the original version of Chick Pubs' "Big Daddy?". That was 46 years ago, nearly half a century! And I'm sure that it was being kicked around for decades before that. And despite it being refuted time after time the same old creationist lies just keep coming back.
It's called the scientific method. Obviously you've never of it but it would do you immense good to learn about it. It's the opposite of your impossible method of starting with the entirety of perfect knowledge which then becomes more and more corrupted. Mathematically speaking, your revelational method is divergent in that the further you proceed the more you veer away from the solution, from the truth. In contrast, the scientific method is convergent in that it iteratively forms hypotheses based on evidence, tests them in order to correct and refine the hypotheses especially in the light of new evidence, etc. Now, just like in theology and other religious endeavors, scientists make mistakes -- indeed, the first iteration of their hypotheses can be far off the mark. But then the scientific method enables scientists to detect and correct those mistakes. Indeed, scientists want to find the mistakes in their work because they are strongly motivated to correct them. And there will be hoaxes in science, same as in all other human endeavors such as religion, but the scientific method will ferret those out as well, unlike in the situation in religion which has no corrective process. So when creationists make loud noises about older scientific ideas having been found to be in error and are no longer used, then they're telling us that they don't understand the scientific method nor how it works. Like when they proclaim, "It's only a theory!", meaning that they don't know what a theory is. Or "Why are there still monkeys?" and "But they're still MOTHS!", meaning that they don't know what evolution is nor how it works. There's a cure for that, Mike: learn something about it! So you think that being able to test and correct your ideas is a bad thing. What about creationists' claims? What do you think about making claims that are wrong and continuing to use them for several decades in spite of those claims having been proven to be false? That's what creationists do. Don't you think that that's far worse than what scientists do? I certainly do. There's a reason why we call creationist claims PRATTs, because they have been refuted thousands of times. Yet despite the certain knowledge that your claims are false, you continue to make them. There's a word for that, Mike.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 318 days) Posts: 16112 Joined: |
You think a lot of stuff, mikey. Have you noticed how often it turns out to be halfwitted nonsense?
No, no, you're getting all confused. Creationism was vanquished by discoveries, which is why the scientific community regards it as a heap of crap.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Mike is playing you guys like harps. As he has announced, his strategy is to post and run. He may respond to one or more of your posts, but only if he can troll you some more. He does not give a crap about your rebuttals.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Pressie Member Posts: 2102 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
You mean that he's religious?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 3340 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.5 |
Hearing harp music, my natural scientific curiosity is aroused. As soon as I step over the threshold I notice a strong odor of gasoline and see piles of flaming dog shit everywhere. Suddenly losing my attraction to harp music I quietly withdraw. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Coyote Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Its about the only game in town. I don't come to this site to visit the political threads... Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Admin Director Posts: 12807 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Thread copied here from the A good summary of so called human evolution. thread in the Links and Information forum.
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Admin Director Posts: 12807 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Since it contains controversial misinformation rather than information, Mike the Wiz should have posted Message 1 as a thread proposal over at Proposed New Topics. Given that known bad information shouldn't stay in the Links and Information forum it has to be moved. Since the thread has already drawn a number of replies I'm moving it here to the Human Origins and Evolution forum. I think the thread should be treated as an opportunity to discuss:
Edited by Admin, : Grammar.
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