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Message 1 of 242 (886120)
05-06-2021 5:47 PM


I'm going to try to encourage the off-topic parts of the discussion in the The God Delusion Debate thread to move here.

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Message 2 of 242 (886126)
05-06-2021 7:11 PM


free speech
Tangle writes:

marc9000 writes:

Now, beginning only in the past few decades, and ramping up drastically in only the past few years, we're seeing an increasing hostility and intolerance towards conservative free speech.

You're confused. No one has to tolerate another's speech.

They don't HAVE to, it's just been a way of life in the U.S. for over 200 years, agreed upon by both sides. Starting to erode now, by ONE political party.

marc9000 writes:

For months now, Donald Trump has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, and Snapchat. This forum's longtime poster Faith, was permanently banned, not for breaking forum rules or vulgar language, but for having an opinion on something that administration deemed "dangerous".

Banning people from private platforms for breaking the rules of the owners of those platforms is not an attack on free speech.

Big Tech has surpassed the label of "private platform". They've become a public trust. An electric company or water works can't refuse service to someone on a street because they don't like the political signs in their yard. Trump was demonized for what he said on January 6th, largely because most of the mainstream media cut out his words "peacefully and patriotically". When Maxine Waters was inciting riots and hatred against white people, Fox news showed every word she said. Peacefully and patriotically" weren't among her words. "Breaking rules"? Yes, if the double standards are big enough.

The ones who have no right to do something, are Big Tech.

Dan Gainor: Big Tech crushing free speech – this censorship report card reveals growing and dangerous bias

quote:
F." One letter says everything you need to know about failure in our society. In this case, it’s a letter hard-earned by Big Tech.

There’s a simple reason. The first quarter of 2021 was the worst for online freedom since the start of the dotcom era. Big Tech went to war with conservatives in a place that was once one of the most free places on earth – the internet. That failing grade is the assessment of the Media Research Center’s new, quarterly report card about the censorship and biases that have taken over in Silicon Valley.


and;

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The first quarter was filled with examples of their censorship. The power-mad powerbrokers of Big Tech went after President Donald Trump following the Capitol Hill riot. At least 10 separate tech companies censored him. Trump had long been in their sights. Leftist journalists and their friends in the tech world were furious that he had used social media to win election in 2016. They spent years getting revenge.

It wasn’t enough that they censored him and his campaign 625 times, compared to zero for Team BIden. The tech overlords were determined to take away his online powerbase and used the Capitol Hill riot as an excuse to do so.



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Message 3 of 242 (886127)
05-06-2021 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by marc9000
05-06-2021 7:11 PM


Re: free speech
Hilarious! The same bunch of Republican assholes who voted against net neutrality are now whining like a bunch of stupid babies because it's biting them on the ass.

Irony and karma are a bitch!


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Message 4 of 242 (886128)
05-06-2021 7:33 PM


marc9000 writes:

A big enough issue so that you think it was not an okay discussion? Would it have been better if my posts had been censored?

It should be obvious that if the problem is a lack of intelligent posts from one side, the solution is for that side to provide intelligent posts. A good discussion requires worthwhile posts from both sides.

And a poster from one side can determine what are intelligent posts from both sides, while a poster from the other side cannot?

marc9000 writes:

Now, beginning only in the past few decades, and ramping up drastically in only the past few years, we're seeing an increasing hostility and intolerance towards conservative free speech.

That’s really a consequence of the increasing hostility, intolerance and mendacity of Conservative speech.

You have evidence that conservatives are trying to censor liberal speech? Or conservatives are just saying things that liberals don't like? And the answer is to censor them?

For instance confusing the right to speak with the right to be given a soapbox on other people’s property.

Big Tech doesn't own the internet. They shut down Parler. Censorship has reached new heights from the Democrat party, and all the branches it owns.

marc9000 writes:

For months now, Donald Trump has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, and Snapchat.

Because he was disseminating misinformation that lead to a coup attempt. They tried lesser remedies but even fact checks were attacked as restricting “free speech”. Ridiculous, but that’s where Conservatism is,

So was Maxine Waters. Double standards, but that's where liberalism is.

marc9000 writes:

This forum's longtime poster Faith, was permanently banned, not for breaking forum rules or vulgar language, but for having an opinion on something that administration deemed "dangerous".

Again, for posting dangerous disinformation.

Someone was going to be injured, or die from what she posted? Or is there an increasing fear of what conservatives have to say?

And again this is a privately-owened forum. There is no “free speech” right to use it against the owner’s wishes,

That's true, the question is, what is the owner afraid of?

marc9000 writes:

They don't disagree with the science, they disagree with the atheism.

So they are prepared to accept that the Earth is billions of years old, that there never was a global Flood and that evolution explains the diversity of life we see ? Those are all science, accepted by many Christians.

The earth has to be billions of years old if we have to jam-pack all of reality into one time dimension. Some Christians have been brainwashed into believing that by today's atheist science classes.


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Message 5 of 242 (886129)
05-06-2021 7:42 PM


Tangle writes:

No one has to tolerate another's speech.

Phat writes:

Agreed. marc9000 needs to provide an argument as to why the conservative speeches (of the past 5 years) need to be heard...particularly those of Donald Trump.

I do? Who has to provide an argument as to why AOC and Maxine Waters need to be heard? Other than their political elections, they have no other accomplishments to recommend them. Trump has a few, other than his election.

The question is, what is the fear of conservative free speech, that's causing all this brand new censorship?


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Message 6 of 242 (886130)
05-06-2021 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by marc9000
05-06-2021 7:42 PM


The question is, what is the fear of conservative free speech, that's causing all this brand new censorship?

Oh you have your free speech. No government agency is denying you a voice.

The rest is social reaction to your hate speech. That reaction is allowed. That reaction is also free speech. Government can't stop you but the rest of society sure the hell can.

The big fear is you right-wingers becoming reich-wingers taking over, again, and killing everybody, again. Your hate speech right now is on that slippery slope that leads to NAZIs.

Do you want me to put it more graphically, like we're going to not only ridicule every backward inhumane stance you bozos come up with, we're going to throw sand in your face whenever, wherever we can?

If you want more graphic visuals just let me know.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 7 of 242 (886131)
05-06-2021 8:32 PM
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05-06-2021 7:42 PM


marc9000 writes:

The question is, what is the fear of conservative free speech, that's causing all this brand new censorship?

The reason is that the continued total disconnection with reality that is the current so called "Conservative" speech is simply continued lies and hate speech.

It is not being censored and of course were any of today's so called "Conservatives" honest they would admit that.

But they are NOT honest.

Just as Trump has a right to only allow member to play golf at his clubs, the owners of other businesses have the right to only allow honest people to post on their sites.

Edited by jar, : appalin grammar


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Message 8 of 242 (886132)
05-06-2021 8:42 PM
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05-06-2021 7:42 PM


the mark9000 asks:
The question is, what is the fear of conservative free speech...

there is no fear, it's just disdain for ignorance. we laugh at your stupidity. we laugh at your gullibility. we laugh at your fake testosterone-driven madness wind.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

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Message 9 of 242 (886133)
05-06-2021 8:45 PM
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fake testosterone-driven madness wind.

xongsmith the wordsmith. I like that.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 10 of 242 (886137)
05-06-2021 9:38 PM
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05-06-2021 7:42 PM


The question is, what is the fear of conservative free speech, that's causing all this brand new censorship?

It's conservative free lies, ignoring you is not censorship. If you don't like what Democrats have to say, don't listen. We are going to point out your stupidity and crazy corrupt bullshit, every time we hear it.


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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 11 of 242 (886138)
05-07-2021 1:49 AM
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05-06-2021 7:11 PM


Re: free speech
marc writes:

They don't HAVE to, it's just been a way of life in the U.S. for over 200 years, agreed upon by both sides. Starting to erode now, by ONE political party.

The reason people are intolerant of your speech is because what you speak of is intolerable.

If you want people to listen to you don't say really unpleasant things.


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Message 12 of 242 (886139)
05-07-2021 2:00 AM
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05-06-2021 7:33 PM


quote:
And a poster from one side can determine what are intelligent posts from both sides, while a poster from the other side cannot?

I think that we can say that the person who tried to suggest that the restrictions on wood burning stoves was a response to global warming - and that the reason was the heat they give out - is unable to judge the intelligence. Message 633

quote:
You have evidence that conservatives are trying to censor liberal speech? Or conservatives are just saying things that liberals don't like? And the answer is to censor them?

I didn’t say any such thing. I said instead that “conservative” speech was filled with falsehood, hostility and intolerance. Which seems rather likely to produce a negative reaction in those targeted.
And it’s also the sort of speech that is poison to an online community. It’s in the interest of the companies hosting those communities to deal with the troublemakers.

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Big Tech doesn't own the internet. They shut down Parler. Censorship has reached new heights from the Democrat party, and all the branches it owns.

Parler wasn’t forbidden from using the internet. Parler was forbidden from using computers owned by Amazon - for repeated violations of the Terms of Use. Again, you have no right to use other people’s property without their agreement. That is not censorship. Nor is Amazon an arm of the Democratic Party.

quote:
So was Maxine Waters. Double standards, but that's where liberalism is.

Then perhaps you can show me evidence of this coup attempt and that Maxine Waters spread disinformation that lead to it.

quote:
Someone was going to be injured, or die from what she posted? Or is there an increasing fear of what conservatives have to say?

COVID is a rather nasty illness that has killed a lot of people. Faith was promoting the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat it. A dangerous drug that doesn’t even work.

If it was fear of what she was saying, why wasn’t she banned much earlier? It makes no sense.

quote:
That's true, the question is, what is the owner afraid of?

Obviously people suffering ill effects - or even death - due to use or misuse of hydroxychloroquine.

quote:
The earth has to be billions of years old if we have to jam-pack all of reality into one time dimension.

That doesn’t even make sense. But even if it did, assuming multiple time dimensions isn’t even theistic. So not assuming them can hardly be atheistic (and in fact assuming them without solid scientific evidence would be unscientific).

So we have established that I was correct. Creationists try to put their religion in science classes because they object to the science.

Of course, even if a teacher was actually teaching that there was no God reacting to it by trying to take over parts of the science curriculum is in no way a sensible answer. Nor even a proportionate one. So that’s a good example of conservatives being worse than liberals.


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Message 13 of 242 (886153)
05-08-2021 10:25 AM


Responding to marc9000's Message 69 at the The God Delusion Debate thread.

marc9000 writes:

Free speech is one of the most basic staples of U.S. society, both when it was founded, and what has led up to what it is today. Now, beginning only in the past few decades, and ramping up drastically in only the past few years, we're seeing an increasing hostility and intolerance towards conservative free speech.

I think you're confusing the views of Trump and his supporters with conservatism. They're not the same thing.

Naturally liberals and conservatives disagree, but no one on either side is trying to infringe upon the other's free speech rights.

What has been "ramping up drastically in only the past few years" is objections to Trump and his supporters' attacks upon democratic institutions.

For months now, Donald Trump has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, and Snapchat.

Gee, why would all these platforms do that? Might it have been for years of lying capped by lying about the 2020 election and inciting insurrection?

This forum's longtime poster Faith, was permanently banned, not for breaking forum rules or vulgar language, but for having an opinion on something that administration deemed "dangerous".

There's nothing about language in the Forum Guidelines, and no moderator action is ever taken for it. Faith's spreading of covid-19 misinformation (e.g., promoting hydroxychloroquine, questioning fatality statistics, etc.) was deemed a threat to life, which this forum could not in good conscience permit to continue.

Rush Limbaugh was widely labeled "the most dangerous man in America" for a long time, and there were several attempts to censure him. Examples like this from recent years go on and on.

Sounds accurate, since Rush Limbaugh's lies were pretty dangerous, e.g., “The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.” He died of lung cancer because he believed his own lies about smoking: "Firsthand smoke takes 50 years to kill people, if it does." "There’s no … major sickness component associated with secondhand smoke." "I would like a medal for smoking cigars."

But those examples are only liberal attempts against conservative free speech,...

No they aren't liberal efforts against free speech. I think you're confusing criticism with free speech infringement. Rush Limbaugh was free to lie about smoking and covid-19, and other people were free to criticize him for it. It's necessary to mention that Limbaugh shares responsibility for the vaccine reluctance that will prevent the US from reaching herd immunity, because part of that reluctance is the belief promoted by Limbaugh and others that the virus isn't really dangerous.

Most conservatives for example, are more than happy to let Maxine Waters and AOC babble all they want, it exposes who they really are. There were attempts to censure Waters for her obvious incitements of violence, and her racism towards white people, but most would agree that was justified.

None of this has anything to do with attempts to infringe upon free speech. You're saying "free speech infringement" but you're describing criticism, and plenty of criticism flows in both directions. The significant difference is the lies from the liar in chief that are believed and repeated by other Republicans. Most Republicans believe the 2020 presidential election was stolen and that Trump actually won in a landslide, and no one tried to take away anyone's rights to make these claims. Sure, they were criticized. Rightly so. For example, Limbaugh said that Democrats find elections "offensive", but it was Republicans who tried to overturn an election. Even more damning for Republicans, the few cases of illegal voting identified so far have been almost exclusively Republican.

Belief in a stolen election is a now requirement for membership in good standing of the Republican party. Liz Cheney will likely lose her House leadership position to Elise Stefanik for not accepting this lie. Ironically Liz Cheney has voted 82% of the time with conservatives, Elise Stefanik only 52% of the time. In their eagerness that top Republican leadership be pure on the "stolen election" claim they're replacing a staunch conservative with a tepid one.

Limbaugh wasn't alone in spreading lies, of course. Here's a quote from Alex Jones speaking on his show:

quote:
Basically, anyone taking these vaccines, all designed to do the same thing, is going to have neurological disorders within one year, most of the people taking the vaccine will be dead within ten...Let me tell you something, you take the mRNA it creates plaque in your brain, gives you Alzheimer's, and I've got the studies, too.

No one believing this missive from Mr. Jones has engaged in any critical thinking. For the benefit of those to whom the glaring flaws aren't obvious, Mr. Jones cannot have studies showing what will happen after ten years for a vaccine that has been available for study for no more than a year. We don't know what causes Alzheimer's, and so we also don't know how to cause it. The earliest studies of the vaccines are about a year old now, and no one in the early studies has come down with neurological disorders.

Alex Jones is lying, just as Rush Limbaugh was lying, and just as Donald Trump is lying. Their free speech rights give them the right to lie, and these same rights give other people the right to criticize them for lying.

And this seems to be what upsets you, that conservatives who lie are criticized, and not just by liberals but by any conservatives with a conscience, such as George Conway, George W. Bush, Colin Powell, George Will, sometimes Jeff Flake, sometimes Mitt Romney, sometimes Liz Cheney, sometimes Adam Kinginger, sometimes Lisa Murkowski. The Republican party is attempting to purify itself of these voices.

The list of liberals who are included on Fox News Channel discussions is long,...

Could I see this list?

...while the list of conservatives on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, etc. is practically non-existent.

I watch the Sunday morning news programs, and on Meet the Press, Face the Nation and This Week conservatives are very well represented. Conservatives appearing recently on these programs are Senator Ron Johnson, former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Republican pollster Al Cardenas, Lanhee Chen, Senator Rob Portman, National Review's David French, Senator Tim Scott, Governor Mike DeWine, the list just goes on and on.

I see Rick Santorum is included at CNN, that's about all I can find.

You're not looking very hard, but this is a good opportunity to mention the deplorable media predilection for bothsidesism where they try to represent both sides even when one side is telling the truth ("the election was fair and honest and there's no evidence that it wasn't") and the other side is lying ("we have evidence that we'll reveal in court of widespread voter fraud" and then get to court, never present any evidence, and lose all but one of 60 court cases, including before Trump judges).

None of those networks get anywhere near the way Fox News allows Chris Wallace, a registered Democrat, to have their own one-hour show to do anything they want.

Chris Wallace has been at Fox News since 2003. He does represent an odd man out the last few years now that his network has moved so far to the right and embraced lying and misrepresentation as news, but letting him go would greatly reduce the overall quality of their news staff since he is by far the most honest and respected newsman they have.

marc9000 writes:

I understand that this forum is a gathering place for atheists with far left political views...

I don’t think there is anybody from the far left here at all.

Yes I know, these kinds of obviously dishonest statements are another of the many reasons why there aren't a wider variety of posters here.

This is an odd charge given the number of false and misleading statements you've made in just this post alone. I presume you don't believe a person's religion or lack of it is relevant in politics, so I don't know why you mention atheists. Many here are liberal, but you'd be going out on a limb to describe them as far left. I personally am a social liberal and a fiscal conservative.

As you know. Some religious people want to get their propaganda into science lessons because they disagree with the science

They don't disagree with the science, they disagree with the atheism.

Science is atheistic in the way plumbing and knitting are atheistic. Religion just isn't relevant.

Meanwhile other religious people are even writing the textbooks for the science courses.

Everyone is religious, atheists have been writing the textbooks for science courses for a long time, because atheism controls science.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this, it still won't be true.

--Percy


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Message 14 of 242 (886154)
05-08-2021 3:09 PM


This is a reply to marc9000's Message 93 in the The God Delusion Debate thread.

marc9000 writes:

I don't think current creationists recognize defeat so much as that they're just not in the same league as the previous generation of creationists. There were a large number of very active and very effective creationists at the national level twenty years ago. If we were still dealing with the equivalent of Henry Morris, Duane Gish, Michael Behe, William Dembski, Andrew Snelling, John Baumgardner, Kent Hovind, Kurt Wise, Walt Brown and so forth in their prime I think things would be very different.

Creation is defeated now?

Defeated? No, course not. Maybe you missed part of my exchange with dwise1. I said that creationism made a strategic decision to lobby school boards and recruit teachers instead of building a faux science. Adding to that, I think this decision was forced upon them because their science couldn't withstand even the most superficial scrutiny, their greatest lights were getting on in age, and the current generation of creationists was much less interested in carrying on a doomed public fight with science.

Morris and Dembski are inactive now,...

You might want be sitting down. Ready? Morris is very inactive now. He's dead.

...but their many books live on. Some of them in private hands, some of them still in book stores.

Huh? What are you talking about? I just checked The Genesis Flood, Darwin's Black Box, Darwin on Trial and The Design Inference - they're all still available at Amazon.

Hopefully you don't think the government should seize them.

Hopefully you're not still beating your wife.

You're only reinforcing PaulK's original point. Your posts reflect a lack of knowledge, an inability to tell truth from fiction, a proclivity for conspiracy theories, and a penchant for casting aspersions at things you don't understand.

--Percy


  
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Message 15 of 242 (886155)
05-08-2021 6:18 PM
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This is an odd charge given the number of false and misleading statements you've made in just this post alone.

I am baffled what motivates marc9K to post here considering that he must know that everything he says will be fact checked, skeptically scrutinized, and soundly criticized if it's false or misleading. He seems to think that violates HIS RIGHTS and should be illegal.

He can't possibly think that suddenly some of us are going to start believing him and how he characterizes us. The only ones who will ever believe him are already members of the Trump Moron Cult and they've already filled their hot tubs with Trump's Cool Aid.

Their goals for America scare the living shit out of me. Those assholes are passing laws making it legal to run down protesters with a motorized vehicle, for fuck's sake!


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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